Weed Identification ?
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Topic: Weed Identification ?
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Subject: Weed Identification ?
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 11:05pm
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I know I could look these up on the internet but you guys are much more informative and entertaining. 😀 Weed Curled Dock #1  weed #2 Young multiflora rose  weed #3  Weed #4. Hemp Dogbane Map shows it should not be here but here it is. Resembles Milk weed in many ways.  Weed #5 Carolina horse nettle  Weed #6 Wild Blackberry. Had one pasture covered in them....After 4 mowing a year for 3 years they are gone. This "bad" photo is in a hayfield.  I will update this post as we get positive ID. This should be FUN ! ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 4:27am
#5 is Carolina horse nettle, if it produces a yellow berry. if black, its nightshade... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 10:53am
| #1 is dock very persistent but doesn't spread fast at least here. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 12:39pm
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Get a book called, 'When Weeds Talk' written by Jay L. McCaman. address: McCaman Farms P.O. Box 22 Sand Lake, MI. 49343 616-636-8226 Informative book , Well worth 25 dollars. Tells many things, such as what the soil is lacking for the weed to grow, or what is to much of... Previous book was called, 'Weeds and why they grow' and helped me counter a bunch of weeds I had. Mixed up a concoction and sprayed the ground and the following year the weeds were almost nil where I sprayed. Only thing negative about the book was there were no pictures of the weeds to reference to. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 12:56am
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BBT You fellas aren't helping out. Maybe cause my photos are bad ???? anyway I updated and identified a few of the weeds. thanks to those who gave input. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 4:03am
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Does weed #6 have thorns? Im just guessing but if it does, I'm thinking a wild (invasive) blackberry... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 6:56am
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#4 looks to be hemp dogbane. Not good to have in hay as it is poison and will kill animals if they eat it. Good news is most won't. Also agree or brambles or wild blackberry, what we call sour dock and what we call horse nettles. Tillage will get some, but not all. Best chemical control I've found for most of those is pasturegard. May take 2 or 3 years to knock out the worst of them.
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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 8:20am
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Agree on #4. Also called Indian Hemp. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 9:21am
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I don't believe #4 is Hemp Dogbane... I live in western PA. and info doesn't have it growing here. it resembles milk weed and doesn't get woody stem.  ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 9:46am
Your #4 up close........ ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 10:34am
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Do you have a plant app ID on your phone? If not you can download one for free if you wish. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 10:41am
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Hemp dogbane growing on adjacent neighbor's hayfield. Was cut and baled about a month back. Map you posted doesn't think we have it either, but I assure you we do. Spreads via an extensive underground root system, sorta like black locust and others. You can knock out these individual annual stems with 2-4D, roundup, etc, but takes a different kind of action to work it's way down into the deep root system to take out the mother ship. I've been working on mine, but neighbor lets his go, so mine keeps coming back.   |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 12:28pm
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Macon, how large of a tract of land is infested with these weeds? It’s gonna be challenge to get rid of those. Maybe a ‘burn off’ and plow under the remains. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:29pm
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The #4 weed is scattered lightly thru the hay fields but They are VERY thick in a non productive side field of about an acre. Ground is POOR quality and of little use. I cleared the entire 4 acre field of small thorn and brambles in the mid 1990's and planted Concolor Christmas trees. They are performing well. Hope to make a cabin out of them in the future. The weed field has been tilled on several years for deer food plots but the ground I'd so.... POOR its not worth the bother. However this #4 weed is getting out of control. here are some better photos    ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: Dale (Stonelick)
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:43pm
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#3 looks similar to Johnson Grass. ------------- 1951 CA - 1944 C - 1949 B - Kubota M6800 |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:54pm
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From photos, some are hard to tell if broad leafed grass like johnsongrass or reeds canarygrass.......or weed. Gets easier to tell when it heads out. Could #3 be smartweed that just hasn't bloomed yet? Purple flower when it does. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:59pm
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BTW, on the nettles, some also call those bull nettles, and I have those that show up in 2nd hay cutting. Fought with them for awhile, then read somewhere that once they are cut, the thorn part goes away and horses will pick thru hay to get them. Highly palatible and nutricious. Horse hay buyers don't like the dock at all. BUT......lady that buys goat hay tells me her goats love it in the hay. Pick thru it to get it. But too bad about that.......I still kill it when I find it. Straight spot treatment of 2-4D does that in.
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 3:48pm
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Maybe I missed it at the very start but, what is your desired ‘end game’ with the weedy acreage? Is pastureland the goal? Trimmed just enough to prevent reforestation? No-till cropland? ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 11:11pm
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Good question Lars(wi) Well it's a farm... i currently have: Fields that are pasture. Fields that are in hay. Fields that are in food plots for deer and turkey. And side fields and road sides that just needs mowed. ALL of them are littered with weeds. But not as bad as was 3 years ago. :-)) My hope is to produce/grow good quality grass hay to bale and sell and possibly lease the ground when I no longer wish to farm it. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 6:03am
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#4 is probably a hemp dogbane type? Look for milk in it's stalk when cut & a white cluster flower as it matures. If you haven't already, try this Penn State Extension website. It discusses crops, weeds, insects, etc in your state. Use the website's home menu to get a dropdown listing of numerous topics. http://extension.psu.edu/milkweed-and-hemp-dogbane-control-in-grass-forages" rel="nofollow - http://extension.psu.edu/milkweed-and-hemp-dogbane-control-in-grass-forages
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 8:24am
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Are your fences in good shape? Access to clean potable water nearby? Possibly explore the idea of a herd of goats, those buggers will eat almost anything, while leaving the grasses for last. The way your photos look, you have such a weed infestation, even if you mowed & baled to remove from the field, you couldn’t give that crap away for free. As others have mentioned, do a soil test, to find out what you may need to encourage grass production, while discouraging weed proliferation. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 12:18pm
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Goats ????? not a chance, but a great idea... I actually looked into renting some but it never paned out. Pasture fences are non exist and. One of our jobs over the recent years was to remove all the locust posts and rusted old barbed wire. That was another labor intensive job... I will attest that SPLIT locust posts do last much better than unsplit posts. I had put the last of these in 45 years ago.... ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: jvin248
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 8:42pm
That book has been on my list to get for a while. |
JC-WI wrote:Posted By: Dale (Stonelick)
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 9:41am
Re weed #3, here is a picture of some Johnson Grass I have. Confirmed name using phone APP "PlantNet" which tends to be fairly accurate. ------------- 1951 CA - 1944 C - 1949 B - Kubota M6800 |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 12:21pm
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Hmmmm.... "When Weeds Talk" A book with no pictures ??? How does a mechanic/farmer type read that ??? ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 12:34pm
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i was wondering the same thing... like buying a book on Antique Tractors... and NO PHOTOS !! Not much good in my opinon. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |