AGCO parts no longer available NLA
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Topic: AGCO parts no longer available NLA
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Subject: AGCO parts no longer available NLA
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2010 at 11:31pm
| Why is it that when I try to order parts for my 1978 gleaner combine my very good AGCO dealer parts person informs me that they are no longer available [NLA]? Who decides this stuff? I know the machine is 32 years old, but I am thinking that combine production numbers during that time period must have out numbered any other time period since? Furthermore, I feel that Allis Chalmers designed & built it to work for 50 years. What the heck??? Frustrated in Illinois..... Sorry AGCO, but I can't afford a new Super 7. Anyway, you will probably quit making parts for it in about 10 years? I have begun to look into other brands of combines - CaseIH, Deere. Are these brands also discontinuing parts for the 1640, 1660, 1666 or 7720, 9500, 9610? |
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2010 at 11:42pm
| Might as well walk into the dealer and ask...as far as I know JD will still supply you with certain things for their letter series tractors. |
Posted By: KevinON
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 4:57am
| I have heard that it is getting harder to get parts for even the Deere 20 series combines. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 6:16am
| Specifically what part do you need?????? |
Posted By: Roddo
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 6:33am
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I have a 1974 JD4400 and the dealer can still get a lot of stuff for it. Big stuff like elevator housings are not available but other than that I've never found something I cant get. Ad even then companies like A&I make quite a few of the augers and housings and such too. The bigger, newer stuff like a 7720 or a 9500 would only be easier since more people still run them. The 20 series are nearly 10 years newer than mine and the 9000 series are getting close to 20 years newer and there are still a ton of them going today. |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 8:05am
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Case IH has stopped making some parts for mid 90s tractors. Seen a few NLA parts for the popular 7120/30/40 tractors. As is certain parts for the 40/60 series combines. Combines are like snowmobiles, the are designed to wear out fairly quickly. They never intended you to keep repairing them and circumventing buying a new one every 5-10 years. Come on, whats wrong with you???? ;) |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 8:27am
| Thats common with every brand of machine, NLA, tried to get some honda parts for my son the other day, 1982 bike,they gave me the price and then said no longer available. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 9:44am
| At some point they will stop production on all that we need to goad us into a new or newer tractor/combine/implement; it is just the way of the economy and it isn't going to change for us. |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 10:13am
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Alot of the times I can make my own replacement parts cheaper than I can buy them for. Honestly I like the salvage yards better. They know what will cross from one brand or machine to another. They tell you what a new one costs and you decide what you are willing to pay. I doubt you will ever get a dealer to come down a few bucks on a part. I know their are good dealers and bad ones. Some parts guys will stay up all night trying to help you, others are pissed as soon as you walk in cuz it means thet gotta stop lookin online at girly pictures to help you. As for Eric, if you want new parts in a timely fashion you gotta have a newer machine. If you wanna save money buy buying older equipment then it means a little more time invested to keep it going. That may mean making your own parts. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 10:49am
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Companies like CIH that have been bought and sold regularly often loose older parts in those transactions. Their being bought often was with them close to declaring bankruptcy and that hurt their relations with their parts suppliers who said, "NO PAY, NO PARTS." Try to find parts for some lines of chain saws where the name has had a new company every two years. But then AGCO merely prices parts as if that warehouse space could have been storing gold bullion. And when parts don't move fast enough they drop them from inventory when they run out. And having closed factories, they probably have lost the drawings and specifications for making more parts if they wanted to. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 10:50am
| Check a Shoup catalog, I've heard you can almost built an Axial-Flow out of one. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 10:56am
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Have your dealer do an inventory search of dealers in the US and Canada.
I can't count the number of times Max Woods Equipment {Agco Dealer} here in upstate New York has found the parts I needed sitting on a dealers shelf even though you can no longer order them. Rodger Woods will tell me that the part is no longer available but then he says let me do some searching and see if a dealer has one in their inventory. He has found around 80% of the parts I needed sitting on a shelf in some dealers inventory. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 11:15am
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A manufacturer needs to move parts in a large enough volume to justify continuing making and stocking them. John Deere had a lot of common parts between the 4400, 6600 and the 7700 and up into the 20 series of those machines. the 3300 and the 8820 had a lot of one off parts and a lot of them are NLA. Also our huge three location JD dealer stocks a lot less of the parts that are available so you can get but you have to order them. Now your 78 Gleaner was never as popular as the green machines so the volume of them just isn't there for AGCO to justify making alot of parts for them. Try Shoup or Sloan's express (GOOGLE if you don't know) and stock up on common parts. Dont know CIH rotors seem to be pretty similar to newer machines but don't try to get parts for a 715, 815 or 915 from what I here. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 11:28am
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I'll bet if Bill at Sandy Lake doesn't have it, or is NLA, I'll bet he can find it. Another good old time A-C dealer is R&R Equipment in Indianola Ia. Alan is also one of those willing to find what you need even if it is not through AGCO. He's also usually lower priced than Valu-Bilt.
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 11:37am
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JPG, Ebay is the place for Honda motorcycle parts.
I have found every part and more that I needed to rebuild my 1970 Honda. |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 2:23pm
| We have ordered a lot of parts for my father's 1966 Gleaner E over the years and almost everything has still been available. |
Posted By: ToddBinNY
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 7:28pm
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Haven't had any trouble finding parts for our CIH 1680 except one thing. A steel hard line off of the hydro. On the other hand, it's been tough for our JD 3300 combine. Not a lot of new stuff, but have had great luck with Worthington Ag parts. They do have a great job pulling and shipping parts. All colors. You can bust their seeds a little on price too. |
Posted By: Billoh
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 8:49pm
| I have 2 gleaner Ks mid 70s,I have a small dealer.I have never asked for anything that he doesn't lay up on the counter.They are Agco parts.I don't understand why other dealers can't do the same. |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2010 at 9:49pm
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Eric we run a 1440 International. So far we have had no problems finding parts cause the design never changed all the way up to the 25 series. Its an early 80's model and we bought a 1998 1020 header for it and it bolted right up without changing a thing. The control box was bad for the automatic header but was able to get a new one for a 16 series and just plugged in no problems. last year we needed a hub and bushing for the fan speed control and got one off a 1680 in the salvage yard it was the same thing. Our neighbor has a 1460 and the guts in it are all from a 1660 so in other words the parts for red combines should stay readily available for a long time. ------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 2:19am
| some parts from other model AC combines are interchangable, i have parts off my "G" combine on my "K" combine. i also run an IH 1440, and have a IH 1460 that's a parts machine if needed, same machine, just that the 1460 had a turbo'd engine and the hydro was bigger, but it will interchange. what part do you need for your combine? maybe one of us has the part. or go buy a parts machine! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 6:08am
That statement is so wrong. In 78 Gleaner was #1 in the US in sales and in resale value. I have the old 'Equipment Guide" books to prove they were #1 in resale What was said earlier about the company being bought and sold multiple times has a lot more to do with it and also the fact that AGCO let their dealers slip away so instead of Gleaners sticking around they disappeared with the fading dealers. If you have to drive 50 or 100 miles to get parts for your old L2 then you start to look at another brand that has a nearby dealer. That goes for both new and used equipment. The only reason there are still areas with quite a few old Gleaners going is because there is a good nearby dealer or two. I was recently down into Iowa near Fort Atkinson and was surprised at how many Allis tractors and Gleaners were still around. I saw more Gleaners than anything else in that small area. They have a couple of good dealers down that way I guess. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Dave in il wrote:Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 7:11am
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 7:59am
| Eric, What are you looking for maybe I can help you find it? |
Posted By: ryan(IN)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 2:50pm
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i know just this summer we need a blower motor for the cab in our 190. It was discontiued but another dealer had one still sitting on the shelf. funny thing was the guy ordered it in 1984 and never came to pick it up. ------------- ryan 1984 8070 FWA,1979 7060,1975 7040,1971 190,1960 D-17D,1957 D-14, 196? D-19G, 1975 5040,1971? 160,1994 R62 |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 8:35pm
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Sorry Lonn and anyone else I may have offended. I was assuming that from the early 70's to when ever the 9000 series Deeres came out there were more 4400, 6600 & 7700's including the 20 series of each (with alot of common parts between them) built than the number of Gleaner models in the same situation.
I was making that assumtion based on my area where Deere has always outsold other brands of combines with IH second and Gleaner a distant third or fourth, untill the rotaries were established there weren't many Gleaners around here. Actually there were more 510 Masseys around here than Gleaners back in the day. Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment always sold well though.
I guess I forgot that Illinois and America are a big place and that things are different everywhere. Lonn, someone else was looking for information about how many combines were built/ sold by each mfg in the 70's, 80's etc.
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Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 11:41pm
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Eric I would like to know which exact part you are looking for. This has been a long time discussion on here. Agco like everyone else views the sales of their parts. If they sell out of a part and the sales history is bleak it is discontinued. We do the exact same thing at the dealership. If a part has not been sold for several years we will no longer stock it. Parts inventory is ever changing and by no longer stocking a slow selling part it makes room for more in demand parts. I would love for all parts to be available but that is not how it works. I'm just considering ourselves lucky that we can still get the parts we can, if fact I believe were taking it for granted. I bet you cannot get near the percentage of parts available for a 1978 Ford pickup at a Ford dealer that you can get for a 1978 Gleaner combine. Agco could say they were not going to keep any parts around for machines prior to their beginning but they are not. I'm not saying they are doing the best marketing job but they do still have a decent parts inventory yet. So tell us what part you are looking for? Maybe we can help you out. Jim |
Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 8:06pm
| THAT IS TRUE IN ALL COLORS they tell you that to make you think it is not available so yhou will trade for a newer machine or new try a different dealer we ha that happen last week a deere for a jd45 combine told us where to call in N.H. they had one in stock deere dealer in n.h. ordered it had it next day from wisc. WHY????? |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 8:32pm
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Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 9:11pm
| Where is this AGCO dealer in Illinois located? I went to AC Mcartney in Durand for a 1939 A-C Model B Seat and they had it on the show room floor. 71 years old?! |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 1:41am
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Sorry about my delayed reply. I have been busy trying to finish soybean harvest this week. Thank you for your numerous inputs. Ok, here are my answers to most of your questions.I travel over most of Illinoiis doing test plot work with my 1978 K2 gleaner. I am aware of numerous AGCO dealerships, AIcatalog, Shoups, Sloans Express, Cook Tractor salvage in Germantown, IL., Bryant, IN salvage, Colfax,IA. salvage, Worthington Ag in MN, Sikeston, MO salvage. I own numerous parts machines. I usually work with Dittamore Equipment dealership in T-Town. Chris & Melinda do great in parts & Mike is great in service shop. When I call in a part number, they cross reference it so I know if its a good number or has been updated to a new number. They can communicate whether they have the part, can order the part, or locate it on their computer at all other US dealerships. I have had parts shipped from Wisconsin & Kansas before. They do a wonderful job!! Hats off to them. In general, I don't have a problem with any dealerships for parts & service. My concern centers around the availabilty of parts from AGCO.
From the top of my head, here is my most current list of what parts that I have been told have been discontinued. If I go back into my parts book, I could include some more. Perhaps some of you could add to this list?
Grain tank unloading auger - powerfold type - good luck finding this in a salvage yard.
Grain tank pivot support housing - powerfold type.
Hydraulic valves. I have 5 valves plus flow control. All but 2 have been discontinuedl but the cost is $1143 a piece for the few available. Most of mine are cracked internally. 3 O-rings between or O-rings in throw lever don't fix it. All of my parts machines are the same condition. They all leak about 2 quarts a day. This has cost me at least 2 chopper belts that are saturated with oil. It now has a catch basin attached to divert dripping oil. Salvage yard might have some, but age is still an issue.
Platform Header pan floor 12'.
Platform Reel bats, I will try the newer designed plastic ones - quality? I experience lodged soybeans somewhere every year. The original parts were superior for longevity. They get quite a workout.
Chopper shaft bearings - can't get the good ones with the cast block housing anymore.
Fan - the bearings can wear into the shaft. The shaft is integrated into the whole assy except for the fins. I have rebuilt 2 of these. Balance is a priority.
Chopper center housing - this is the one where the cutter knives rack pivots in or out. It wears out first.
Brake master cylinders - rebuilds only way to go.
Clutch outer sheave?
Eccentric sprockets maybe AIcatalog, not AGCO.
I have had good & poor quality parts from AIcatalog. AGCO parts are usually always superior in quality. Sorry for so long of a message.
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