GMO's why can't they
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Topic: GMO's why can't they
Posted By: ac hunter
Subject: GMO's why can't they
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 12:48pm
| modify the genetics of elm trees, ash trees and others that have insect and disease problems like they do corn and soy beans? I always thought the elm trees were beautifully shaped shade trees. Just a thought I had while sitting here waiting for the rain to stop. |
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Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 1:02pm
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Hope someone has a good answer...anyway... I have 2 shading the west side of my house that I don't think will be around in 1 or 2 years. Guess I better be thinking about replacements... ... ... ... maybe one of those GMO trees. ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 2:15pm
My guess would be as for trees, the ‘turn around time’ to witness any result is many years if not decades. Annual crops you can witness the result quicker. As for gmo crops in general, that light we see at the end of the tunnel is not an opening, it’s a high speed problem that is going run humankind over if we don’t reverse course mighty quick. Sorry guys, but Dow, Monsanto, Bayer, ADM, and the others are not our friends. Don’t send that row cultivator to scrapper just yet. We are gonna have to learn to get back on that tractor and cultivate those crops. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
ac hunter wrote:Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 3:26pm
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You are so right for so many reasons. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 4:09pm
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By https://www.nytimes.com/by/gabriel-popkin" rel="nofollow - Gabriel Popkin Photographs by Audra Melton On Monday, in a low-lying tract of southern Georgia’s pine belt, a half-dozen workers planted row upon row of twig-like poplar trees. These weren’t just any trees, though: Some of the seedlings being nestled into the soggy soil had been genetically engineered to grow wood at turbocharged rates while slurping up carbon dioxide from the air. The poplars may be the first genetically modified trees planted in the United States outside of a research trial or a commercial fruit orchard. Just as https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/19/us/fda-approves-altered-tomato-that-will-remain-fresh-longer.html" rel="nofollow - the introduction of the Flavr Savr tomato in 1994 introduced a new industry of genetically modified food crops, the tree planters on Monday hope to transform forestry. Living Carbon, a San Francisco-based biotechnology company that produced the poplars, intends for its trees to be a large-scale solution to climate change. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 4:22pm
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they can GM anything IF they see enough PROFIT in it... what I wanted to see is a selective herbicide for BINDWEED ! I KNOW they can do it at Phizer but my chemical contact there died before I could ask him for a 'sample'..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 5:57pm
| I know they are doing gmo work with american chestnut trees |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 7:24pm
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Best thing that ever happened to our soils was to cut up the cultivator. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 8:10pm
That may be true for the soil, but sure not for human health. The past few decades have seen human digestive, and neurological issues skyrocket. As true as President Eisenhower warned the world about ‘The Military-Industrial Complex’, he would have been just as accurate warning the world of ‘The Agri-Business/Pharmaceutical Complex’. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 May 2023 at 6:50am
| Here farms are returning to hard cultivation. Discing, Field Cultivator use, some deeper plowing to reduce growing pesticide resistant issues with crop damage pests. Reduces the buildup of non degrading compacted organics by exposing to air where then do breakdown into beneficial more fertile soils. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 15 May 2023 at 3:48pm
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tillage works "NOT" just ask the mississippi river delta system! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 15 May 2023 at 3:57pm
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I know 'no-till' destroyed the 10 acres across the street. That's just one green tractor over 40-50 years. My 'litmus test' was running the subsoiler with my D-14. In wife's garden..2nd gear,high range, engine happy....Across the street.. 1st gear, low range,max throttle, tractor NOT happy. That field only saw corn,beans,wheat. Other farmer also grows spuds and he plows and discs and cultivates(OK some fancy implement but DEEP and FLIP. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 6:17am
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D14, 2nd gear high range looks like 3.8 mph, 31 HP at the drawbar according to tractor data.com. You were “subsoiling” ground that didn’t need it by the sounds of it. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 6:33am
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While it may not have 'needed' ,it was a big eye opener when compared to the notilled section. It also showed me that adding back 'organic compost' is a great thing compared to flinging prills of fertilizer. Local Allis guy just spread a LOT of 'country honey' on his field, sure smelled real nice to me !!! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 7:43am
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Your comparison is accurate, just pointless. Show me the economics of your “organic compost” plan on a large scale and I’ll be all over it. Include where I can get enough to farm 500 acres, what it will cost, what the nutritional content will be, and of course yields. Should also consider not just supply for me, but for everyone else in the surrounding counties because they’ll see and hear how awesome my crops are. Oh, and I’ll still have weeds to kill, after all this was a topic of gmo that somehow became a tillage and fertilizer debate. By the way, corn leaves A LOT of organic matter behind, wheat does too depending on your overall strategy, beans not so much. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 7:48am
| If I take every drop of animal waste and put it back into the soil that’s used to grow the feed to feed the animals, the soil will become depleted. There’s a law of conservation of matter and energy type thing at work there. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 1:07pm
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You have to add lime |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 1:22pm
At first, and after a short while more than that. You can’t put all of those nutrients into growing protein on the hoof and putting the waste back out there. It won’t last. The cow leaves the farm! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 8:18am
Dang it Jay, you’re late! Just spent another $16k on fertilizer 
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 8:24am
| Oh, another question Jay. I was in a field yesterday so hard that 2 passes with my heavy disc didn’t even cover my tire tracks. It’s like trying to work a parking lot. It’s never been no-tilled in my lifetime that I can remember. What am I doing wrong? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 8:43am
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you didn't PLOW first ? you never added horse/cow manure every spring ? you never subsoilered it ? you've only added chemical fertilizers for years ? you have to give back what you take. 'soil' is complex ! consisting of 'dirt', grit, trace elements, chemicals, sand,decaying veggy materials... every time you harvest you remove some 'top soil' and just adding manmade chemicals isn't all you need to do to keep the fields healthy and viable. best (worst ) example is a field that was a sod farm. After 15-20 years, sodder have removed 99.44% of the top soil, making the fields useless to grow crops on. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 10:12am
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Oh, DO TELL!!!! You have to add back? Lol You started your answer waaaay too late in the question. I have an average of about 75 animals on the farm. That’s nowhere near enough to cover the ground. So first question was where do I get all this wonderful organic compost, and at what cost etc. This is only my 4 th year farming this field, but it is right next door. As for plow, why the heck would I do that? I did chisel it last year, but never a reason to plow under bean stubble. I’m guessing the baking hot drought last year might’ve had something to do with it? Point is, lots of ways to end up with hard ground besides your nearby field you claim was ruined by no till. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 10:16am
| Now, if you want to really cause some hard pan that will make your D 14 unhappy, try plowing this type of soil year after year. Your top 8-9 inches might be nice and loose (probably too loose) and have a rock hard layer under it. In the spring you’ll have 8 inches of applesauce to drive through and the water won’t go anywhere. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 11:44am
This is why ‘crop rotation’ is important to break up the hard pan. Alfalfa with its long tap root was good at doing that. Short of that, a deep sub soiling once every 3-4 years can accomplish the same. Generally, a deep sub soiling every year is not necessary. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 12:44pm
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Or use radishes for winter cover crop |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 12:53pm
Agreed. Hopefully you don’t think I didn’t know that. But whatever. Wish I had the time to make “that much “ hay and have a use or market for it. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 1:47pm
| Good grief! The Glencoe won’t even touch it! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 4:13pm
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Around here homesteads generally had house in the center of the farm and 4 fields(say N,E,S,W ). They grew 3 crops, left the 4th field fallow. There is a certain sequence they followed..maybe bean,corn,wheat,fallow ? I'm sure someone will know. Pretty sure corn after beans, as bean are Nitrogen fixers(?) and corn needs LOTS of Nitrogen. As for your supply of compost.... try closest city if they compost or not.If they collect and needs a dropoff location, offer your farm, free of charge. Get the neighbours who cut they're lawns every week to dropoff their grass clippings. Any stables nearby ? farmers here cleanout 6 local stables monthly,that is a LOT of 'pony poop'. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 5:23pm
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Where I grew up, most farmsteads(not all) had the house and buildings in a corner of farm, and close to the road. Back when my dad grew up on the farm, grandpa raised hogs, and milked cows. Farmland was divided somewhat equally between 4 fields approximately 30 acres per field. 1 field was corn, 1 field was oats w/alfalfa ‘underneath’, 1 field was the ‘hayfield’, and 1 was the pasture, for that year. Every spring the field that is as the pasture planted into corn, the previous years corn field was sown into oats, the previous years hayfield b came the pasture, and the previous year’s oat/alfalfa field became the hayfield. Grandpa followed that the 40 years he worked that farm. Never bought insecticide for planting corn, very seldom bought chemical fertilizers, but did ‘lime’ every year. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 May 2023 at 7:55pm
LOL |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 1:42am
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back to the OP... :
The problem is, we cannot change the genetics of something amidst IT's life... once the tree has started growing, it's genetics don't change. We can SPLICE a branch to a tree, but that doesn't change the tree's genetics. Now, in order to cope with a specific disease, fungus, or insect problem, we need to know WHAT combinations of compounds significantly combat the given problem, and what genetics cause the tree to CREATE those compounds AND... not pose a compatibility problem with itself, or any symbiant elements. then we have to TRY to do a DNA splice which would successfully include that character. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |