Brought home a D17 with a 6 cylinder engine in it. Auctioneer said it was a D19 as what the seller said it was...then said it maybe was just the engine that was a D19.

 But it didn't look right for a D19 engine with the water volute coming off the side of the head. Thought all D19 engines were of the more modern design going straight forward.

  Well, thought maybe this engine was a combine engine but the C series combine engine I have is of the similar design of the D19.

  notice the side discharge on the head.

 

Notice the manifold, this is centered for carb and has extra heat to the intake side from the exhaust side... D19 and the 230 on the A allis combine have the carb more towards the front of the engine. So was this an industrial engine?

No ID plate on the engine just the cast number of 45 with stamped in marks after it.... then under the rod is cast a number of 27 and the cast in date looks like 1-27-59

Looking at the cast number of 45, it almost looks like a 0 was ground off after it.

 Big question is, how can I tell that this is a 230 cube engine or a 262 engine?

and was it a low grade fuel burner (low compression engine) or a regular grade burner despite the design of the manifold. thanks.

Doc, I had thought the same thing, but the early D17 diesel was 262 of the nearly same design.  and the D19 came several years later with the newer design and the D17 diesels got the newer designed engines as well.

 And as far as I know, the 230 got left behind.

 If it is a 230, wonder how the HP and fuel consumption will compare between it and the 226?

Went and looked in an old The Tractor Field Book with power equipment specifications, published by Farm Implement News Co., Chicago 1956.

 They had a section under 'Specifications of Multi-Cylinder Commercial Engines'. Each company was listed with the gas models and then listed with the diesel models.

 Under Buda, they listed 11 models of Gasoline and 11 models of Diesels....

I see they listed the 6B-230 and a 6B-273, but no 6B-262.  I also see in the Diesel section they listed a 6 DA-230 which was a close copy to what was used in the WD45 and a 6 DA-273 that Cockshuts used but no 6-DA-262 engine . So AC must have developed the Diesel 262 for the D17 and then the gas version and turboed diesel262 for the D19.   Thanks

The air cleaner looks like something off a D14? or a power unit? The intake is about the size of the WD's intake pipe.

 The location of was determined by the previous installer, and the hood still has the front hole.

Power steering pump arrangement does look like that of a D19

Manifolds are certainly different than from an A Gleaner 230 engine.

 

SN is D17 7640D ... Tractor 1958, block first month of 1959. Close in age. lol

Was looking at the chart and see the 230 could produce 73HP at 3200 rpms and 164 ft pounds at a thousand rpm, with 6-1 comp. ratio, just think what it could have done at 8-1.

Dr., that seems to be looking like how it played out.  And to think Allis bought Buda out in November of 1953.

    Buda had been hard at it to try and get their engines into all parts of the industry and into the trucking industry too...  after Allis purchased them, that effort waned, as I have read.

  Been an interesting thread looking into the Buda engine in this tractor... tho it might have been better if it had the 262 in it instead. 

  Now to see if the 230 will start and run... if it's junk, I will put the 230 from the combine in it, that engine ran really good.

  Thanks fellas for your thoughts.

Just to correlate the time line, I should go and find the data plate on the combine.

  Didn't stop to think about it, but yea, over the years there were gray engines and there were orange engines on those Gleaners.

Definitely not a D14 air cleaner - too big.  Tractor was most likely a diesel that someone replaced with a gas engine and moved some components around - including the air cleaner.

JC-WI wrote: The air cleaner looks like something off a D14? or a power unit? The intake is about the size of the WD's intake pipe.  The location of was determined by the previous installer, and the hood still has the front hole. Power steering pump arrangement does look like that of a D19 Manifolds are certainly different than from an A Gleaner 230 engine.   SN is D17 7640D ... Tractor 1958, block first month of 1959. Close in age. lol Was looking at the chart and see the 230 could produce 73HP at 3200 rpms and 164 ft pounds at a thousand rpm, with 6-1 comp. ratio, just think what it could have done at 8-1. To bad AC didn't make a thicker top deck to the block and a wider liner ledge when designing the 262, it could have withstood the test of time.

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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080

 This tractor was a D17 Diesel when it left the factory.

 Some where along the way it got a heart transplant, with the Buda 230 cu engine of the older style.  The air cleaner looks like it was bolted to a flat surface before it got welded to the battery tray...Just can't fathom the size of the intake pipe being small in diameter, being sufficient for this engine.

 I was wondering where this Buda engine really came from which prolly was a Gleaner Combine, but maybe it was in some other application like on a conveyor or forklift or some other job. Don't know.

  Pulled some plugs today, and the engine turned over nice and smooth.  Took out no. 5 and 6 first and they looked clean.. no. 1 had something inside the cylinder that was kinda yellow gunk, 2 and 4 were gunky and carboned and no. 3 had crap across the electrode... and funnier part is, these were long reach plugs in a short thread hole. At least the pistons didn't hit the ends of the plugs.   Thinking it may have some oil control rings stuck or broke... I am wondering what I should soak those cylinders with to dissolve the possible carbon that is sticking the rings.

  Need to work the ignition side and put some battery cables on and a temporary gas supply and give it a whirl and see what all comes flying outof the exhaust.  Hope it runs as good as when turning it by hand... smooth.

  Thanks.

Tramway, as the doc said, it is of the tractor variable speed governor.

  There is another D17 in our area that was changed over to the 262 gas motor from a combine and they had to hunt down a governor assembly for that one. That got changed in about 1979 and still in use, but the owner says it is really hard on gas. He uses it for cutting and baling hay but has a smaller tractor to use for raking the hay.

 Now the bad news on the D17dG , Opened the crankcase drain plug a little bit and had about pint and a half of antifreeze drain out. Guess it isn't as good as I had hoped for.  Going to still start it and see what the rest of the tractor is like, like clutches work, gear jumper or not, 2spd work or jumps out... it seems to far forward and backwards to engage. imo. And see if pto & hydraulics, ps., and brakes work. 

  

We also have an older Gleaner A parts combine that has the Hercules engine. The Hercules is a flat head engine, so completely different than the Allis/Buda engines.  It's interesting that they have the same bore and stroke, I never knew that!

Brendan, your 230 engine looks really clean.

 I went and checked the gray engine A Gleaner I have and serial number is A-40361. Can't find any serial number breakdown of years for the Gleaners.

  Just for note on the specs of the Buda / Herc engines used  ,  the book I have said the Herc used was the 3 7/16th x 4 1/4th with valve in block while the later Buda engines used in the Gleaners were the 3 7/16th x 4 1/8th ". The QXLD engine was 7 cubes larger than the Buda used. Hercules did have a 230 engine also, a QXD. Difference between them was the QXD had the 3 7/16x4 1/8 that was 78.4hp @3200 with max torque of 167@1500 ... while the QXLD had 92hp at 3200rpm 190@1400rpm

  As for this D17 with the earlier Buda engine, I have had it started and it runs. But the throttle linkage seems really off to the throttle lever, first quarter of quadrant it seems like it is full throttle and any farther that engine seems like it has no stop to the upper rpm's.  Governor linkage looks like it has many kinks and a weld in it, so... somebody has played with it.  I don't like over speeding engines, so need to put some kind of a tach on it to see what it really is running.

   Tires on the tractor are 14.9x28 and are full of fluid and they appear to have been leaking for a long time. Replaced the valve core on the one side and the fluid was over the top of that... sprayed out some from core hole, wasn't bad.  Then had to replace other core only to find the core corroded and had to remove the insert to replace. That was not the screw into the tube kind, but the style that is held by the threaded collar which was also rotten and broke when trying to loosen it.  Once that broke, tried to keep stem in tube while trying to remove collar and... stem blew out and a stream of chloride insude. Shoved new stem in and was able to crack the old collar and peel it off and then threaded the new collar on.  Then took a shower to get rid of all the chloride off of me.  That makes 6 tires that I have worked on in two years that have had fluid over the top of the valve stems. These two I didn't take time to remove the excess fluid from them. From the previous 4 tires (set of 18.4x34 and a set of 18.4x28), I removed about 60 gallons. Is that the norm for the tire shops to over-fill tires? 

   Have to see what a D19 book says about the governor and see about maybe setting a limit on top end rpm.

As best as I can tell, your A2 combine would be a 1967 (last year for the A). There is a chart in Norm Swinford's book that lists serial numbers and years for the Gleaner combines, that's where I'm finding this information. Hope this helps, good luck with your tractor!