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Topic: CA Project Pics
Posted By: dfwallis
Subject: CA Project Pics
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:08pm
I'm sure nobody really cares, but here's a couple of starting pics...small tree and grapevine encrusted. 
 
  




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:09pm
Sorry about the formatting :( ...there, found the edit option, fixed.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:22pm
looks like it has been there a while !

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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:26pm
The B I drug home started like that. Looking forward to watching your progress


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

looks like it has been there a while !

Yes, not really sure how long.  But it WILL LIVE AGAIN IF I HAVE TO WITHDRAW EVERY LAST PENNY FROM MY 401K! (but hopefully not :), although today's spending was a good start on that).


Posted By: KMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 9:50pm
We should do as found and fixed up post for inspiration.


Posted By: tractorboy
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 1:13am
Wow ,nice pictures! Safe to say she's been sitting a while! Keep us posted. keith so.va.


Posted By: rilenz
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 7:14am
am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 8:14am
it WILL LIVE AGAIN IF I HAVE TO WITHDRAW EVERY LAST PENNY

Joint the CLUB... to be a MEMBER, you have to spend TWICE a much on the tractor as it will be worth in the end !! ............. Its not about the money !


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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:10am
Originally posted by rilenz rilenz wrote:

am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca

It is a 1952 CA.  Positive.  It has no 3-point hitch, just the normal 1952 pin hitch.  In the picture, the drawbar is installed.  The lift arms are fully down and the drawbar attaches to the lift arms and fits inside the U shaped arms.  I was looking for a ready made 3-point kit for it but didn't find any.  I see a kit that mounts on a drawbar, although not the pin hitch drawbar.  I was thinking I could adapt the pin hitch drawbar to attach via split bearings to the rockshaft and thus my other post asking about the dimensions of the rockshaft.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:12am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

it WILL LIVE AGAIN IF I HAVE TO WITHDRAW EVERY LAST PENNY

Joint the CLUB... to be a MEMBER, you have to spend TWICE a much on the tractor as it will be worth in the end !! ............. Its not about the money !
  I'm already well above that amount :(


Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:20am
Originally posted by rilenz rilenz wrote:

am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca

Older CA, the lift arms run down like that, but you can put a 3ph on one, I have two CA's and I put a 3ph on one to use a finish mower on.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:26am
look at the photo in the second post below...

https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ca-3-point-hitch_topic169749.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ca-3-point-hitch_topic169749.html



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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:29am
you cqn also rig up something like this




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:31am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

look at the photo in the second post below...

https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ca-3-point-hitch_topic169749.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ca-3-point-hitch_topic169749.html


That's the snap coupler draw bar.  The pin hitch drawbar attaches to the lift arms, so I either have to first convert to snap coupler or I have to figure out a way to detach the pin hitch drawbar from the lift arms and attach to the rockshaft via split bearings or other custom mount.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:32am
if you want to "make your own"..... the bar under the rear axle looks like a standard drawbar you can buy at TSC... and the two lower arms are just aftermarket arms, also available at TSC ........ then just add a couple stabalizers.



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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:34am
Originally posted by Trinity45 Trinity45 wrote:

Originally posted by rilenz rilenz wrote:

am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca

Older CA, the lift arms run down like that, but you can put a 3ph on one, I have two CA's and I put a 3ph on one to use a finish mower on.

I searched Steiner and several other places and they all said there was nothing specific to the CA (and probably more so the pre 1954 CA).  If you know otherwise, I'd like to know where to get it or what mods are needed.  I think I have a suitable mod in mind, if there is enough clearance behind the rockshaft.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:40am
Gary... you got to look at what you have and what you want... Presently your upper arms are DOWN and the drawbar is connected between them..... for a 3 point, you need to anchor "something" under the axle to pin the lower arms to it.... The "anchor" is normally the bail area, or modified pin in that area..... You can also buy 3 points that attach to a crossbar between the final drive cases... like a C or B maybe ?

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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:41am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Gary... you got to look at what you have and what you want... Presently your upper arms are DOWN and the drawbar is connected between them..... for a 3 point, you need to anchor "something" under the axle to pin the lower arms to it.... The "anchor" is normally the bail area, or modified pin in that area..... You can also buy 3 points that attach to a crossbar between the final drive cases... like a C or B maybe ?

yes


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:44am
couple more photos..... several ways to get there from here... just need to decide..some designs are STRONGER than other.. some are for a bushog and others stiff enough to pull a 10 ft disc..

https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/2point-to-3point-hitch-ca-conversion-question_topic51797.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/2point-to-3point-hitch-ca-conversion-question_topic51797.html




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:03am
Borescope pics, some ok, some not so ok.  Not the best image resolution.

















Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:04am
Looks like he sent some duplicates or near duplicates.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:37am
does the engine bar over ?  what was in the oil pan ?  are you going to rebuild , pull head and clean, or just fill jugs and let them soak to loosen things up ?

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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:50am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

does the engine bar over ?  what was in the oil pan ?  are you going to rebuild , pull head and clean, or just fill jugs and let them soak to loosen things up ?

Engine is locked.  Brother has not decided yet.  He was the last one to put new sleeves in it, so he's familiar with its issues.  He's researching and thinking it over.  He originally thought he would soak it for awhile, may still do that.


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 2:33pm
I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right,


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by TomC TomC wrote:

I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right,

Yes, but the 1952 did not come with a snap coupler.  After 1954 it was available as an add-on.  Since we have no snap coupler implements, only those that came with the original pin hitch and lift mechanism, I wasn't planning on converting to snap coupler at this time.  I was wanting to make do with the original drawbar, but because the cross member goes all the way across between the lift arms, the 3 point lift arms would probably hit it on the lower end unless I mount the front pivot up quite high (to get the 3 point down to the recommended 7-8 inches from the ground).


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Originally posted by TomC TomC wrote:

I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right,

Yes, but the 1952 did not come with a snap coupler.  After 1954 it was available as an add-on.  Since we have no snap coupler implements, only those that came with the original pin hitch and lift mechanism, I wasn't planning on converting to snap coupler at this time.  I was wanting to make do with the original drawbar, but because the cross member goes all the way across between the lift arms, the 3 point lift arms would probably hit it on the lower end unless I mount the front pivot up quite high (to get the 3 point down to the recommended 7-8 inches from the ground).

Sorry, I've looked at that one many times but missed the tiny inset image showing a second version with the snap coupler loop having a tiny pin receiver welded on top.  The images on the OKT site are mostly too small for me to read without a magnifying glass.  But I also may have not looked too hard because it says "light duty" and does not look to me to be well designed/made.  "light duty" would mean category 0 to me.  It's hard for me to tell without dimensions, but it appears to have very narrow spacing of the cat 0 version.  It does say cat 1 on the OKT site.  Another thing is the arms appear to be fixed width.  They're supposed to swing a little (maybe one swings and one doesnt).  I'm no expert in 3 point design, but at this point, I'm not liking that one.  Maybe I could be talked into it.  


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:04pm
I think what your looking at and what I have are two entirely different 3 point hitches,both my lower arms swing and are adjustable,it works fine with all the 3 point implements I have here and is very stoutly built.Good luck with it.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:26pm
there are basically two different types of  AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.




the second design is one that you bolt a cross bar to your  drawbar, under the axle.. then mount the two lower 3 point arms to it.... There are other ways to do a 3 point, but the only AFTERMARKET are one of these two designs... You can do it different, but it will be "home made".




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by TomC TomC wrote:

I think what your looking at and what I have are two entirely different 3 point hitches,both my lower arms swing and are adjustable,it works fine with all the 3 point implements I have here and is very stoutly built.Good luck with it.

Well, darn, this is the only Cross I've seen that has a CA non-snap-coupler option:   https://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_13_195&products_id=204&zenid=r6hptdv2h5ihrrccehhp5nluv3" rel="nofollow - https://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_13_195&products_id=204&zenid=r6hptdv2h5ihrrccehhp5nluv3

I went to the Cross website itself and found no hitches at all.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

there are basically two different types of  AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.



OK Tractor has this one with an option premade for non-snap-coupler (that I missed before).  Like I said, didn't like the design of it, but when time comes I might choose the easy out.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:35pm
that one eliminates the drawbar... if 90% of your work is with the 3 point, then you can buy an adaptor that gives you the ability to use a drawbar , ball hitch, etc.




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2023 at 10:48am
Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

there are basically two different types of  AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.



OK Tractor has this one with an option premade for non-snap-coupler (that I missed before).  Like I said, didn't like the design of it, but when time comes I might choose the easy out.

I'll add that OK Tractor seems to have this one for about half the price of Steiner...


Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2023 at 11:58pm
Yes, we are significantly less than steiner on most parts.  I was just at the factory a week ago.  Ill be happy to answer any additional questions.

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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 10:41am
Originally posted by JimD JimD wrote:

Yes, we are significantly less than steiner on most parts.  I was just at the factory a week ago.  Ill be happy to answer any additional questions.

One of dislikes about the design is that I would prefer that both arms pivot separately.  In the snap coupler design, pivot of the fixed arm is relative to the moveable snap coupler tongue.  In the non-snap coupler design, it has a pipe welded across the tongue.  Unless there is a lot of slop in the size of the hole, there would not be proper pivoting of the "fixed" arm.  And I don't think you want a lot of slop in the hole for the pin hitch.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 10:58am
Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 11:02am
Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.

Yes, but this would be the non-snap coupler version with a weld on mod which would prevent left to right swing as well as rotational swing.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.

Yes, but this would be the non-snap coupler version with a weld on mod which would prevent left to right swing as well as rotational swing.

I'm up against my spending limit for this year, but when I do this, provided I can devise a suitable drawbar mount modification (keeping the existing 1952 drawbar as is if possible), I'm leaning towards a drawbar mount version for the WD45, perhaps without the sway block (my drawbar mod might suffice for sway block).  I tried sourcing the individual parts (arms, drawbar mount), but that cost was way higher than getting the equivalent kit and throwing away unneeded parts :(


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:13pm
I see your point Gary... A Pin thru a steel bushing would not appear to have much "movement".. unless your  "PIN HOLE" brackets are egg shaped for L-R swing.... Maybe Jim can explain more as he sells them.. Personally i would be temped to use the snap coupler version and make a "trailer hitch" type fitting on my crossbar under the tractor, then  PIN thru the coupler loop.. That would give you movement L-R and Up- Down... but would take a little modification to your present hitch bar.




possible hitch design for snap coupler loop.




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

I see your point Gary... A Pin thru a steel bushing would not appear to have much "movement".. unless your  "PIN HOLE" brackets are egg shaped for L-R swing.... Maybe Jim can explain more as he sells them.. Personally i would be temped to use the snap coupler version and make a "trailer hitch" type fitting on my crossbar under the tractor, then  PIN thru the coupler loop.. That would give you movement L-R and Up- Down... but would take a little modification to your present hitch bar.



Yes.  A slightly better design might be an add-on bracket that sandwiches the snap coupler tongue (top bracket and bottom bracket, with perhaps loose fitting bolts, one right in the inside circular bend of the tongue, one at the rear.  Then the pin sleeve would be welded onto either bracket.  That would preserve the integrity of the tongue as well.  Being loose fitting, it could give you enough range of motion at least side to side.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:29pm
yea... a added a drawing above that might be even easier.. use the BAR on the tractor to help limit movement fore- aft.

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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2023 at 8:27pm
De-brushed...baby steps.  Several days soaking in atf, still locked tite.



Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2023 at 9:04pm
i dont know how your trying to ROTATE the motor ( bar/ crank).... but one good method is to jack on of the rear tires 2 inches off the ground and block under the drawbar or axle housing... put the transmission in gear, then try to ROCK the tire back and forth every couple days  ( with the cylinders filled full of penetrant).

make sure when in Neutral that the tire will move.. That tells you the transmission is not locked up also..


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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 5:51pm
Baby steps...new 13.6 tires on 12 inch rims :)Probably not much more activity before May.



Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 28 May 2023 at 6:55pm
Some selected progress pics.  New front and rear tires.  New 12 inch rims on back with 13.6 Titans.  New tires on front.  Rims and front pedestal were sand blasted as was rear hubs and final drive near the wheels.  One front rim was welded by dad in the mid 1960s.  It's amazing that there's been almost no major deterioration since then.  Only a few tiny pin holes near the original welds.  The rear hubs and locks cleaned up very nicely.  Only one of the lock bearing surfaces was slightly pock marked.  All were very usable.  All reassembled with anti-seize lube.  The locks locked up tight.  I was amazed how smoothly they operated.  I stumbled upon the lock/lug wrench in the garage, and also the associated 5/8 inch lever bar.  I painted them orange so I can remember them :)  Everything was sand blasted primed and painted.  Some key areas like inside the front rims have approximately 10 coats rust reformer and of paint in total.  The inside of the front rims were a bit flakey (rust) but with angle grinder, wire brush, and sand blaster, they came out decent and smooth.  Tire guy had no qualms with them.  I may eventually replace the front rims, or maybe just the welded one which doesn't look as nice.  The tractor has been moved to a garage for engine assessment.  It will get rebuilt regardless, but there may need to be a section of the block re-welded.  Dad welded it in the early 70's (or thereabouts) but did not have the right welding equipment on-site at the time so it continued to have a slow coolant leak.  Believe the weld is intact though.

The starter motor was removed for unknown reason, but I tested it and it is fine with not a single issue with the gear teeth or throwout.  Was inside the garage for 40 years.   The original generator is another story.  Was in pieces with coils toasted and loose.  Believe I can get it rewound locally.  I inspected part of the flywheel which seems fine where I could view.  I think the transmission is ok but could only get it into reverse for the trailer ride.  One brake seems functional, sort of, the other seems to be rubbing full time but not forcefully and the pedal won't depress beyond an inch or so.  I can see a broken spring which may be wedged in the way.  Steering play seems no worse than I remember it.  I remember that the front rim welds were heavy enough to cause a little wobble at full speed.  I found the ammeter and control panel.  The control panel  cleaned up nicely, but all switches and ammeter were toast so I'll be rebuilding that, cleaning up the starter (maybe more if needed), and the generator if I can.  I'll probably use stainless fasteners in key exposed places.  Nearly all electrical wiring seems haphazard.  It seems to have had a regulator installed at some point, but no reference in my service manual so I'll have to research that further.
















Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 28 May 2023 at 6:58pm
I should have repacked the front bearings.  One was fine but the other had slight end play.  They both rotate smoothly.  Was running out of time this trip.  Needed to get some other things in besides the tractor.  I painted the backside of the fenders to retard rust, but they'll need some straightening work at some point.  They seem salvageable with only straightening required as far as I've seen so far.


Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 28 May 2023 at 11:03pm
Looks like good progress. Are the cultivators still hanging around somewhere?

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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 29 May 2023 at 6:28am
Looks good! I need to get to work on both of my CA's.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 May 2023 at 8:59am
the original battery was 6 volt and just had a CUT OUT SWITCH box mounted to the generator.. No voltage regulator.. The LIGHT SWITCH had a resistor on it that grounded the "F" wire from the generator to give a low amp charge.. When the switch was ON, the "F" was grounded around the resistor to get a GOOD GROUND and MORE AMP charge..

It was not uncommon to remove the light switch and put a 6 volt regulator near the generator and let it do the job.... If the battery was changed to 12v, then yes, you need a regulator to handle the job.




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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 29 May 2023 at 9:48am
Originally posted by wjohn wjohn wrote:

Looks like good progress. Are the cultivators still hanging around somewhere?

I found front and rear cultivators, disc, plow, and planter.  The cultivators are in the worst shape probably.  Lots of trees growing through it.  One of the sweeps is exactly in the middle of a 1.5 foot diameter scotch pine tree at ground level.  It seems to be sideways.  Couldnt see enough to see if its twisted or just on its side.  It didn't quite logically compute.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 29 May 2023 at 9:53am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

the original battery was 6 volt and just had a CUT OUT SWITCH box mounted to the generator.. No voltage regulator.. The LIGHT SWITCH had a resistor on it that grounded the "F" wire from the generator to give a low amp charge.. When the switch was ON, the "F" was grounded around the resistor to get a GOOD GROUND and MORE AMP charge..

It was not uncommon to remove the light switch and put a 6 volt regulator near the generator and let it do the job.... If the battery was changed to 12v, then yes, you need a regulator to handle the job.



It's 6 volt.  Plan to keep it that way.  The regulator was mounted just behind the starter motor.  I don't remember it at all, so maybe my uncle added it in the 70s.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 8:41pm
Got a fairly good look at the engine block.  The block was welded in several spots 50 years ago.  Looks pristine, welds held, finished flat, good head gasket seals.  I think it's going to be ok.


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2023 at 5:34pm
if you need a new wiring system for that project, visit our website. We do everything electrical and touch on each area of the Tractor. I do Carb, Generator, Alternator, 3 position switch and Starter rebuilding. Be happy to help you out with anything....
Steve@B&B
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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2023 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by Steve in NJ Steve in NJ wrote:

if you need a new wiring system for that project, visit our website. We do everything electrical and touch on each area of the Tractor. I do Carb, Generator, Alternator, 3 position switch and Starter rebuilding. Be happy to help you out with anything....
Steve@B&B
bb-customcircuits.com

Already bought one of your rebuilt switches.  Generator was toast, being completely rebuilt and converted to regulator style operation.  Starter was in very good condition, but I opted to have him recondition it as well.  Fort Worth Starter and Generator.  I'll be doing the new wiring harness myself.  Already have it.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2023 at 7:24pm
Progress pics 9/24/2023:

While engine block was out to the machine shop, I prepared the front half.  Sheet metal was taken to a body shop for some rip and dent repairs.  Installed a new throwout bearing although the old one wasnt really very bad.  Clutch plate was relatively new.  Also ran a new wiring harness.



Since the engine work is taking a little longer, I stored the parts along the roofline by the H.  I cleaned and painted EVERYTHING.  New bolts and studs where needed.



Crankshaft had some minor pitting but overall wasnt that bad.  Machined everywhere needed.  Had too much end play when we got it back so we sent it back out for more work.  Originally, the machine shop documented the wrong specs on the work tag so we ordered the wrong bearings and had to do that over as well.  Those issues were the source of most of the delay in getting the engine going.  I had high hopes, but it didn't happen.  Work is ongoing as time permits.  No the M doesn't run either :(



After I got most of the front half ready for the engine install (minus sheet metal), I replaced the brake pads.  This is the "good" one.   The left one was rusted in two at the hinge.  Kind of a chore to get all the rat and mud dauber nests out through those cubby holes.  Must have pulled 2 gallons of junk out of there.  The drums should probably be worked on but I think they'll be fine besides wearing the pads out a little faster.  There was plenty of metal left.  Probably because it hasn't had properly adjusted brakes since the 60s (i.e. little contact).



I was able to get the plow up out of the dirt and on some temporary blocks (I ran out of time and just used whatever I could find).  The frame looks like it will clean up ok.  The plowshare/moldboards are broken.  The pieces seem to be lying around in the garage, could probably be welded up (or replaced).



Here's the cultivator previously mentioned as having a tree growing around it.  That will be fun to remove.



And the disk.  Didn't get a picture of the planter (forgot when I decided to de-tree the bulldozer).







Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 5:28am
That paint is looking pretty spiffy!


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 6:18am
Looking good! Thanks for sharing


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2023 at 8:32am
Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

That paint is looking pretty spiffy!

3 coats of primer and 3 coats of orange.  4 and more coats of primer or orange in strategic areas.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2023 at 11:28am
10/16/2023 Update:  Further engine work.  Engine rebuild internals complete.  Everything to spec except liner protrusion.  Two slightly exceed the 0.005 max with light torque, but improve when fully torqued.  Basically, they don't sit perfectly flat with the block surface.  Pretty sure it will be fine.  



A better view of the improved rocker arm alignment.  This is a massive improvement of horizontal alignment.  Some were in contact with less than half of the valve stem previously.  It's actually better than it looks in this pic due to parallax.  





Posted By: JK in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2023 at 3:23pm
I believe I see valve rotators on the exhaust valves. I always thought valve rotators required offset rockers.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2023 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by JK in Pa JK in Pa wrote:

I believe I see valve rotators on the exhaust valves. I always thought valve rotators required offset rockers.

Offsetting was sometimes used in small engines when no valve rotation device was present to achieve rotation.  Offsetting is not supposed to be needed with a valve rotation device.  It certainly should not be so far off that it's barely contacting the valve stem and leaving giant divots because of force being limited to a tiny contact area.


Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 10:45am
Any update pics DFWallis? That looks wicked with the big tires. I just went stock size on my rear replacements. Can't wait to see it all put back together after you had the body parts painted.

I just came in from my morning fall ride on mine. Took the dog for a walk, so figured I'd give Allis a run too.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Any update pics DFWallis? That looks wicked with the big tires. I just went stock size on my rear replacements. Can't wait to see it all put back together after you had the body parts painted.

I just came in from my morning fall ride on mine. Took the dog for a walk, so figured I'd give Allis a run too.

I just posted updates a few days ago.  It's not back together yet but mostly finished the engine rebuild internals.  I'm working on some hydraulic system mods at the moment.  I'm creating a pedestal out of a trailer pintle hitch and a hitch extension to get me the required height above the tires.  I've got the base complete except for painting.  I'll start on the platform for mounting the spools tomorrow when a connector arrives and i can determine the width of the side by side spool sets/valves.  I don't expect any significant progress before the spring.  I hate working in the cold :(


Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Any update pics DFWallis? That looks wicked with the big tires. I just went stock size on my rear replacements. Can't wait to see it all put back together after you had the body parts painted.

I just came in from my morning fall ride on mine. Took the dog for a walk, so figured I'd give Allis a run too.

I just posted updates a few days ago.  It's not back together yet but mostly finished the engine rebuild internals.  I'm working on some hydraulic system mods at the moment.  I'm creating a pedestal out of a trailer pintle hitch and a hitch extension to get me the required height above the tires.  I've got the base complete except for painting.  I'll start on the platform for mounting the spools tomorrow when a connector arrives and i can determine the width of the side by side spool sets/valves.  I don't expect any significant progress before the spring.  I hate working in the cold :(

Awesome! I'll be watching for your future updates. You might teach me a few tricks to do to my CA.


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 9:25pm
Progress 10/30/2023:  Designing a removable hydraulic console intended to bolt to the left side fender.  The console consists of a pintle hitch, and a hitch extender mounted vertically with a custom tray resting on top of the extension which is removable.  Two single acting valves mount to the side, a 4 spool valve set on the top.  It sticks out over the tractor tire for space reasons.  It may or may not fit exactly where I designed it to sit (may be too close to the seat), but I can move it forward or backward if needed.  The tray itself is designed to slide left or right.  I still have some plumbing work to go for the return.  Perhaps a little goofy, but fun anyway (I'm retired, I got time) :)  It weighs a ton...

The back view showing the mechanism for sliding the tray left or right.



It includes optional hose supports that can be added or removed when the dual acting spool valves on top are used.  



Closeup of a hose support.  Since the dual acting valve hoses will come off straight up, this supports them at about 16 inches (can be lowered) to prevent sharp bends.




Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2023 at 8:15am
so the vertical hitch is just a way to mount it to the tractor , so you can easily remove it when not needed ? .... Instead of bolts ? .... I see the threaded rod which allows you to adjust it in that direction.

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Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2023 at 11:31am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

so the vertical hitch is just a way to mount it to the tractor , so you can easily remove it when not needed ? .... Instead of bolts ? .... I see the threaded rod which allows you to adjust it in that direction.

The bottom (pintle mount) section will be bolted to the fender wall.  I haven't drilled those holes (in the pintle bracket) yet so I can determine the best position.  I measured it and know very close where the holes will go but I made the bracket a little longer in case I need to adjust it right or left.  The top section is the removable part via the hitch pin.  I'm trying not to physically modify the tractor, just using existing bolt patterns as much as possible.  The threaded rod is designed to allow the tray to slide left or right (it is then tightened in that left or right position).  I was thinking ahead to deconflict it with my idea for a roll bar/canopy mount that mounts to the axle but will rise just outside the fender wall (so the wheels will have to be slightly spun out).  When that roll bar/canopy is installed, the tray will have to be slid right/forward to deconflict (since it sticks out over the tire).  The pintle hitch is mounted to a piece of 4 inch x 4 inch angle iron that I cut out the left and right floor sections.  The right section had to be cut to deconflict with the brake lever.  The left side was only cut for symmetry.  The forward fender bolt is around 4 inches from hole to back of brake lever.  The other fender bolt is 11 inches behind the forward fender bolt.  I have about an inch of play to adjust the position to deconflict with the brake lever and the seat.  

The console is fairly well balanced.  There is little stress on the mount when you operate the spool levers which have quite strong springs.  That was one worry with only having two mounting bolts.  I can add a horizontal support later if needed.




Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 5:35am
Wow! Nice!


Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2024 at 3:14pm
My first draft of the hydraulic return for a CA.  I will first attempt return via filler cap as in below.  If that doesn't work well, I have a better idea, but I think this will be ok if the flow is sufficient.  Since the pump will be pulling out as fast as it's going back in, I don't anticipate problems, but I'll find out I guess.  It's likely I'll have to reduce the size of the brass nut a little, but that's pretty easy.  I may also need an o-ring.  I had to bore the hole in the stainless fitting out to 3/8 inch (my poor drill bits).  It was a 3/8 inch fitting with a 1/4" hole :(  Was designed for super high pressure but not needed on the return line.






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