I was hoping to get some advice. I am changing transmission fluid in my 7060 PS as part of the break in process from a transmission overhaul. The guy that overhauled it uses Cenex fluids. The service book on the tractor calls for 821 Power Fluid which a quick search on the Internet simply means universal trans/hydraulic fluid will work. I never want to go through the pain of having a valve in the valve body lock up again, and planning on using Cenex fluids also at $30/gallon. 

To my knowledge newer fluids have extra additives and minerals to help the parts last longer. Since this transmission concept in a 7060 has been around for many years prior to these newer fluids coming out, would the newer fluids be overkill and harm the transmission? Universal trans/hydraulic fluid have a general application for many older tractors, and I simply wonder if the extra minerals and additives might cause the hydraulic pump to work harder. 

I am not an expert on this in any fashion, I am just wondering what people that have worked on these machines over the years have noticed. Thanks for any input. 

For this reason, you can go to Shell, Mobil, Cenex, or several others and look up UNIVERSAL TRACTOR FLUID... and you will see something like "REGULAR or STANDARD", then you will see the "PREMIUM" ..... they may be synthetic or dyno oil base.... Look at the back of the  oil bucket and you will see that it meet 5-10 different Manufacturer "SPECS" if it is the STANDARD oil... If it is PREMIUM it will meet 20- 30 different Manufacturer specs.... That is not to say that Cenex is exactly the same as Mobil UTF... They are 95% the same and BOTH meet all the SPECS... but its possible that one as an extra addative, or more of an addative than the other..

Here is a list of every manufacture SPEC that Cenex meets,   "dyno and symthetic"..

If it meets the SPEC,  most people buy by PRICE.

This is from the CASTROL Page on Universal Tractor Fluid  --- again, i might just be "words"... i have no way of knowing.

Remember, 90% of these guys are NOT making the oil.... If it does NOT say Shell or MOBIL on it, then it is made by Warren or a couple other  smaller suppliers who make it for everyone.

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Steve...maybe they were referring to plain 15w40 dino not the full synthetic? Could still be BS.

Our nearby New Holland dealer is also a Kubota dealer.  We went to buy some universal oil one time.  They said, you want New Holland or Kubota oil?  I dunno, what do I want?  (and yeah, obviously neither of them is making oil).  Well, the Kubota is way cheaper and the same stuff, and we have it in 55 gal drums even cheaper!  Bingo. . . So, I've also bought Traveler stuff, 5 gal buckets when I out of the barrel and not nearby the NH dealer.  Dad offered, do I want him to get another 55 gal of the Kubota?  Might as well, . . .turned out the Travelers in 5 gal was way cheaper than the Kubota in 55 gal now.  WAY cheaper.  So unless I see a sale on something, I buy the travelers.  (and try to fix leaks, cuz holy crap it's all expensive!)

Semantics in play.  It is very doubtful you will find any manufacturer (that markets their own line of oils/fluids) actually approving an aftermarket product for use in place of their OEM fluid.  For those aftermarket products claiming they are approved or recommended for use by a manufacturer, the aftermarket supplier is likely basing that claim on their product meeting a manufacturer's minimum spec, not that the equipment manufacturer has actually approved their product.  Basically, implied approval.  In some manner the aftermarket product stating, "WE RECOMMEND USING OUR OIL IN THESE APPLICATIONS", and listing specs it meets is more truthful than claiming the product is approved for use.

Here is John Deere's statement regarding other fluids from their Hy Gard page. "John Deere does not monitor competitive or "will fit" oils.  While claiming to meet John Deere requirements, it is possible that the competitive or "will Fit" oils do not meet even the minimum performance requirements for John Deere Machines, which could result in premature failures.  Note: An industry classification for hydraulic/transmission oil does not exist. Each manufacturer establishes a minimum requirement that oils should meet for use in their equipment."  I expect if you research this, you will find the same type of disclaimer from all manufacturers including AGCO.  I would be interested in seeing a listing directly from AGCO, and other equipment manufacturers showing the aftermarket oils/fluids they have approved for use in place of their OEM products.

The producers of oils blend specific additives to oil blends to meet the specifications of various brands.  

Dont know what happened to your Doug.... but it should be OK.  The multi viscosity gives it a range of below zero and up to 350- 400 degree range on the top end... That rates up there with the best of them.

I use Qwiklift HTB (their "universal hydraulic oil") and filled my bulk tank in July for $17.66 per gallon.

Their diesel engine oil is Superlube TMS 15-40 and my cost was $18.38 per gallon.

I copied and pasted the following from the fact sheet on their website.

 "Energy Petroleum, refining and pipelines • Owns refineries at Laurel, Montana, and McPherson, Kansas, with a combined 175,000-barrels-per-day processing capacity. • Accesses crude oil for our refineries and move product to the marketplace through more than 2,000 miles of pipeline. • Provides a dependable supply through 400 million gallons of storage at CHS refineries and 23 CHS-owned product terminals."

They do have a warranty program on new equipment using their oil. I did sign up for it on two tractors I bought new but of course, I had no claims.

Steve

Please explain how you determined it too thin when hot and what it did to you 6080

Backwards compatible, yes, exactly my point earlier as well!  Agreed!!