D-14 3rd Gear
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Topic: D-14 3rd Gear
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: D-14 3rd Gear
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2010 at 7:45pm
roughly speaking, what is the cost of replacing 3rd gear in one that it won't stay in at all?
It is a loader tractor so it has been well used 3rd to reverse.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2010 at 10:19pm
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Shift fork is a good contributor to this problem if it is well worn. I got a new one for my 190 XT from my local AGCO dealer, but NOT cheap! After that, you would want to look at your input shaft and bearing for wear and mashed up gears. They are a bit cheaper aftermarket. I have not had to do any transmission work on a D14 yet though - just the 190 so far.
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2010 at 8:07am
I'm looking at one at they want a pretty high price for it even though 3rd is out. Trying to figure out my repair costs to add to the purchase price.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2010 at 10:02am
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I would set aside at least $1000 just for parts if you are doing it yourself. If someone does the repairs for you, double it.
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Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2010 at 11:34am
Not ever been in an Allis transmission, I have a thought. The shift forks wear at the contact points of the collar/gears right?
If they are so expensive, and its a common problem, why doesn't someone rebuild them? I have repaired shift forks before without issues, Gas weld them back up w/cast iron rod and mill them to dimension, or even cut out the worn section and braze on and new section.
Do the shift forks work on a separate collar or is the collar integral with the gear?
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Posted By: Rogers
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2010 at 12:39pm
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The D-14 and D-15 have the same third gear. The thing is they changed third gear after the transmission was put into production. Because of the change when you change third gear pinion shaft you also have to change reverse gear pinion shaft. Third gear locks into the inside of the reverse gear when running in third.
You can get aftermarket gears. Third gear pinion runs around $225. Reverse pinion gear runs about $200. That is aftermarket. You will also need gaskets, sealant and misc. It will run you $750 to $1000 dollars to fix third gear correctly with aftermarket parts.
I used AGCO parts when I did mine because aftermarket pinion gears weren't available except for 4th gear which I didn't need. If you go with AGCO parts you are looking at around $1200 to $1500 dollars assuming gears are still about the same.
It is a job to change the gears, but worth it. Good Luck.
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Posted By: bauerd44
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2010 at 1:58pm
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I am going to a sale that has a 170 that has a bad 3rd gear. Is the cost of parts for
repairing a 170 similar to the prices for a D-14?
Thanks... Dale
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 3:13am
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Gentlemen,
I have just disassembled a D-15 transmission. Third gear jumps out, all the shifting collars, and all the gears (reverse idler included) are extremely worn, and one of my pinon teeth is missing a substantial piece of metal.
What kind of used/nos/new parts are out there?
Tad
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Posted By: JH Buck
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 4:50am
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I have replace third gear in a D15 and a D14 and you are looking at least $1,000 +.
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 7:07am
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I have a trans and rear complete in a D-14 that you can drive and do what ever you want to with it ,that way you know it is good.I have hills you can load loader and drive up and down them.We can then unbolt it from tractor and you are on your merry way with complete trans and rear assembly.
I bought a complete running D-14 that had a shuttle in it and everything works good .I am going to put the complete unit torque housing, trans and rear over in my shop D-14.And sell the trans and rear out of it with a DRIVE before you buy.
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 7:16am
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Sounds like Fred has a great deal for someone, I have a neighbor who "fixed'" his with just a couple of pieces but about 3 months later it was jumping out again, he was not happy.
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Posted By: old220
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 8:25am
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I have a good transmission for a 175 also a cmplete tractur, engine has a hole in block. donnie
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Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 10:22am
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170 tractor uses a completely different tranny so there is no cost comparison.
I just did the 15 I gave to Dad and with the proper bearings, gaskets, some used good gears, a used pinion shaft, shims, and gear bushings I had 1000.00 in it. Really didn't have any shifter problems, just a worn out tranny due to running it low on oil sometime in it's life before I got it.
I have a complete shuttle torque tube with reverser that I'd like to move. I purchased this from Fred with the intention of making my 15 loader tractor a shuttle. I ended up getting a D-15 industrial with shuttle and loader so I left the AG tractor alone. I'll make someone a deal on the shuttle assembly, this will save you the wear and tear on the tranny and clutch with a loader.
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Posted By: JH Buck
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 4:20pm
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Sound like Fred has what you need
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 6:30am
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Gentlemen,
I have noticed that my pinon first gear has 51 teeth and all the aftermarket replacements have 50 teeth. Allowing for my weak grasp of math and my possibly, faulty/ counting, if indeed there are 51 teeth on my pinon first gear why? Why the 50 tooth replcement?
Tad
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Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 8:47am
Check A&I Very affoardable tractor parts.
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Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 8:51am
https://www.allpartsstore.com/ItemDetl.htm?B2BSessionID=110104022417681&CategorySeq=B&SelcBrand=AC&SelcMachn=TRACTOR&SelcModel=D14&SelcSectn=M&SelcSubsc=M50&SearchItem=1&TextSearch=&ItemNumber=70225413 - https://www.allpartsstore.com/ItemDetl.htm?B2BSessionID=110104022417681&CategorySeq=B&SelcBrand=AC&SelcMachn=TRACTOR&SelcModel=D14&SelcSectn=M&SelcSubsc=M50&SearchItem=1&TextSearch=&ItemNumber=70225413
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Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 9:07am
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Tad, there was a production run change in some of the transmision partssometime during the D-15 tractor production. D-10, 12, 14,and D-15 tractors used a lot of the same gears in the tranny. Late model gears I think are what is availiable aftermarket so if you change the pinion gear you must also change the main shaft gear to match it. The alternative is to rob an old gera out of a parted out CA or other parts tractor.
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 2:51pm
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Gentlemen,
Thank you very much for all your help!
Tad
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 2:43pm
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Gentlemen,
Are there any matching ring gear/pinon sets out there for an Allis-Chalmers D-15, Series II, serial number 23148?
Tad
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Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 2:48pm
Had our D-15 done in '72 by an AC dealer for about $2200.
If we were to do it again, we wouldn't have!
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 3:25am
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Gentlemen,
Does anyone out there have a Timken 02421 bearing cup for sale?
Tad
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 8:07am
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Looks expensive
http://kscdirect.com/item/TIM%2B02421%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B3/THE%2BTIMKEN%2BCOMPANY_02421%2B-%2B3%2BTRB%2B-%2BPRECISION%2BCOMPONENT%250A - http://kscdirect.com/item/TIM%2B02421%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B%2B3/THE%2BTIMKEN%2BCOMPANY_02421%2B-%2B3%2BTRB%2B-%2BPRECISION%2BCOMPONENT%250A
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 8:36am
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It only cost me my time to fix mine. When I bought mine Eldon added a transmission that had another part taken from it.
Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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Posted By: ccuthulutt
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 9:28am
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Dear Lonn,
That was a good number right away! Thanks for the link. That bearing race, indeed, was the last part I needed to reassemble my transmission.
Sincerely,
Tad
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 7:22pm
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I have for a D-15 tractor these gears. 1,2,3,4,R onthe main shaft and 1,2,3,4,R on the pinion shaft. Used original $550.00. 785-353-2392
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 7:44pm
Lonn, That's pricey steel. $508,000 per ton!
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