Need a water pump:
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Topic: Need a water pump:
Posted By: Codger
Subject: Need a water pump:
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 8:18pm
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A Fiat-Allis FL-10-B has come to me for repairs. Seems the owner went to remove the leaking engine water pump and neglected to remove all the fasteners. A pry made short work of breaking the casting. I've looked around on the net for a replacement and have called a couple places looking for something usable but nothing so far. Engine is an Iveco OMCP3-100 and the pump number is 8829780. Tractor is in good shape and easily worth repairing.
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Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 9:40pm
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I'm going to a tractor salvage yard tomorrow. I'll take a look. Any other tractor use that same pump? ------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 9:43pm
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We've got an FA 10 (earlier than 10B) but has the same engine. The parts book doesn't have a number for a complete water pump but they exist as I've bought one here in Australia. The pump casting is 8824003 and the bearing assembly 8829187 in case that helps. MinnPar? An internet search brings up this supplier for a FA 8 - there is a 4 cylinder version of that engine in some New Holland wheel tractors as well. https://www.urparts.ca/index.cfm/page/enquiries/enquiryId/251610/ " rel="nofollow - https://www.urparts.ca/index.cfm/page/enquiries/enquiryId/251610/ ; I can check with a supplier we use here in Oz - we seem to be better catered for such FA parts than you people are - but that won't happen till Tuesday. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 9:43pm
| Thanks, I think the FD/FL-8 series used the same engine. Appreciate the help. I could weld the casting back together but I don't have the machining capability to ensure a leak proof seal to the block. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 10:01pm
Thanks Ian. Yes, support for F-A is horrendous in this country. I'd appreciate any help you could offer. I'm sure they would pay freight to get the tractor back operational.  |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 4:34am
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 6:42am
| Thank you Dave. No luck there but I have bookmarked the site for future use. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 8:09am
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I was going to say that surely Iveco used that same water pump in some other engines, maybe much more common (overseas, not in the US) engines... How to figure out which ones is a good question. I would think parts should still be available in Europe and/or Australia. If you could figure out the Iveco part number somehow I think that would be your best bet. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 1:37pm
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Isn't that the engine in the small Massey that they are selling now?
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 3:45pm
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https://www.milesoto.com/katalog/omp2019.pdf%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.milesoto.com/katalog/omp2019.pdf
Quick search - IVECO ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 4:07pm
| thanks Coke. That link goes to a 404 error in a different language? |
Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 9:12pm
Try Zimmerman Tractor Salvage in Versailles , Mo. They have a bunch of Allis and a few F/A. If anyone would know what-fits-what, they will. I walked around there today, bought a pump for my 6G,  but there wasn't a parts guy available to check on your pump. ------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 6:09am
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Thanks kindly. I will follow up with them on Monday.
Where are you around the metro area? I've worked out of the "cave" in Independence, MO several times over the years developing, and optimizing algorithms.
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Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 3:14pm
------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Codger wrote:Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 4:40pm
| Thanks. I'm retired from the FAA and a lot of hardware/software integration is performed and optimized there before being fielded into the airspace. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 12:10pm
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Odd as when I posted the link it had listings for a multitude of water pumps , now getting the same error . Here is another link http://dozerparts.ru/f/dolz_truck07.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://dozerparts.ru/f/dolz_truck07.pdf ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 1:06pm
------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 1:09pm
| A core would work as we already have the guts to rebuild it. Thanks! |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:23pm
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Coke This might have something to do with it https://www.techtimes.com/articles/272660/20220307/breaking-russia-to-reportedly-cut-reliance-on-external-internet-with-companies-required-ru-domain-ready-since-2019.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.techtimes.com/articles/272660/20220307/breaking-russia-to-reportedly-cut-reliance-on-external-internet-with-companies-required-ru-domain-ready-since-2019.htm
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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:26pm
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Codger I gave a bloke I deal with for FA parts here a heads up link to this thread so he can watch and respond if that is in his line
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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 2:19am
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Codger I checked with the bloke here and he suggested posting his internet contact if you need to go that way - Gene Dalton at South Burnett Tractor Parts tractorspareparts.com.au |
Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 3:06pm
Man, Codger, that pump must be made out of solid gold....was told one was available from overseas.......1200$..........gasp! ------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 3:48pm
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Wow! I'll check with owner and tell him that is his first option available. Sure is expensive. Thanks
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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 10:26pm
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Codger I checked with Gene Dalton. He has them in stock. $A 1529 (= $US about 993) plus freight - no idea what that might be. Sounds like it would be good if you could find a casting to rebuild
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Posted By: Pfouts Family Farm
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 12:36am
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Here are other part numbers for this pump New Holland 8829780 Manufacturer's Numbers DOLZ N461 GGT PA10985 I found one in Italy and one in Spain The one in Italy has a price of 650 Euro... which at current exchange is around $650 USD Don't know what shipping would be. Website shows last one in stock. Here is a link https://www-faraonericambi-com.translate.goog/en/pompe-acqua-per-trattori-e-mietitrebbie/910-pompa-acqua-8829780.html?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc" rel="nofollow - https://www-faraonericambi-com.translate.goog/en/pompe-acqua-per-trattori-e-mietitrebbie/910-pompa-acqua-8829780.html?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc Here is a link to the one in spain. You Have to contact them for a quote https://machineryline-au.com/-/sale/engine-cooling-pumps/track-loader/FIAT--20072502232097390300?openFromPage=list&openFromPageReason=price_request&openMessageFormType=list_without_pri" rel="nofollow - https://machineryline-au.com/-/sale/engine-cooling-pumps/track-loader/FIAT--20072502232097390300?openFromPage=list&openFromPageReason=price_request&openMessageFormType=list_without_pri
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 9:04am
| Thanks guys for the tips! I have forwarded the information to the owner , hopefully I'll get some guidance here back yet today. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 6:17am
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Alright. The owner has located some sort of repower kit for the tractor using a Cummins engine. I really don't know any more than that but to plan to keep tabs on progress with this. Both the cost of parts, and availability of those parts, are driving the decision to repower to something more viable. Thanks again for the help.
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