Big cube 226 engine
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Topic: Big cube 226 engine
Posted By: ACMidightMistress
Subject: Big cube 226 engine
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2022 at 8:29pm
| Anyone out there have a drop in ready to go engine for a w series puller? |
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Posted By: mike a
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 8:26pm
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steve fisher cab build you one |
Posted By: mike a
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 8:28pm
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can build you one 507-766-0551 |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2022 at 5:48pm
Cubic inches only cost cubic DOLLARS, go for it  Turbocharging is cheaper per HP dollar  ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 7:54am
| Turbocharging not a generally accepted thing in antique tractor pulling, so more cubic inches is the way it's done. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 11:56am
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Antique classes are generally Grampa gear classes that make big HP useless unless heavily weighted down, then things tend to break. Real pulling doesn't have speed limits and the winners are people with ingenuity to make things work that other say can't be done. Although I guess if some are afraid of speed then they gravitate toward the grampa gear pulls. More than 60 years ago a fellow told me the way to do well tractor pulling was; to have the most HP, run the lightest class possible and go as fast as possible. That formula has kept me winning for more than 50 years with everything from right off farm tractors to multi engine modifieds and superstocks. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 2:28pm
| Well, every part of the country has different ways they do things. I've seen videos of your turbocharged C or CA and honestly where I live and compete in pulling, there would be places that would tell you to not bother to unload it off your trailer, for insurance reasons. Other places might let you show it off, but not compete. If you enjoy kicking the snot out of 3 or 4 other lesser tractors because yours has a turbocharger on it and theirs doesn't, how nice for you. There are dozens and dozens of antique pulling organizations around our great country and I don't know of any who have a turbocharged 2,500 or 3,000 lb farm tractor class. I guess I'd prefer to compete against a dozen other pullers in a class and hope to do well, knowing we are all within a certain rules restraint, than pull for show and beat no one. You are certainly entitled to play however you want and with whoever you want, but around here there's no one else set-up like you are. I was at a club pull yesterday and we had 117 hooks for the day, which is pretty average. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2022 at 6:48pm
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NEWS FLASH: All those that have rebuilt their engines with custom parts and increased the displacement to twice, three times or more than what the factory displacement was, are no more of an antique tractor than mine is with a turbocharger, and have no business competing in an antique class. Locally we have what is called an OPEN class that is only limited by the builders' ingenuity and, in lower weights, the tire size. When I do go to other pulls, I am mainly pulling as an ambassador to generate interest in our club which is very open-minded and has classes for everyone from the restored (truly antique) to the highly altered and turbocharged engines. Before going to unknown pulls, I check with those in charge and let them know what to expect from my tractors. If I am only allowed to be an exhibition puller, this is just fine as I thoroughly enjoy pulling for its own sake; trophies, ribbons, and plaques are no longer important after more than 50 years of pulling and winning with every division I've pursued. Our club offers an exciting contrast for the spectator compared to many Antique clubs that have day-long pulls that feature only tractors going at a walking speed or slower. Although these pulls are just fine for the competitors, they become boring very fast to a spectator that doesn't personally know someone pulling. You can't inspire interest in a sport if you are boring the spectators. Generally, after making a run, I am swarmed by spectators asking where I will be pulling next and what other tractors run like mine. The NTPA initially had a goal to standardize rules across the country so that anyone could go anywhere and pull. This worked for awhile, and then there became people that were not able to win under the fair, standardized rules, so they formed their own little clubs all across the land, finagling the rules to suit their own personal tractor and exclude others, thus achieving the desired result of becoming a big fish in their own little pond. If that is who you are, that's fine. You be You. Those who feel the need to have the enormous displacement engines and then insist on competing in the antique classes are very poor sportsmen and must be compensating for lack of skill and maybe other qualities. Locally, when competing at our club, my turbocharged tractor will pull against some tractors with engines four times larger than factory; this makes not only a very competitive class but also a great show for the spectators. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: trikesbikes@gmail.co
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2023 at 8:37am
| Where are you located? We are in MN |
Posted By: dgerth
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 9:16am
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I kinda have to agree with both of yall! If you want to compete against other pullers to see how you place, then one must conform to the rules where competing. This I enjoy tremendously !!! On the other hand, building a machine like Paul's also has its allure and making a pull just for fun, like no other, is probably very satisfying ! I have to commend both yall's expertise and ingenuity and thank you for sharing it with us !! |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 10:04pm
| i agree with everyone here on this but looking at diferant clubs rules on the internet i think they all need to be amended to allow allis go up in yaers to when the d19 starts so they can run the 6 cylinder gasser in the d19 or at least a series one d17 to run with all the super 88s and 460s to get a little more brand , color representation |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 6:56am
| The D19 came out in 1961. If you write the rules to allow them, you also have to include the John Deere 4010, which came out in 1960. I know the local clubs try to keep the 4010 out. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 2:38pm
| You can build as many or more cubic inches into a G-226/D-17 gas engine than you can a D-19/G-262 engine. It takes a 301 engine to be able to make the cubes it takes to compete with a 500 plus cube Oliver or Farmall 460/560. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 7:48pm
| just thinking it would be nice to add a little more color to the red yellow and green ones dont realy see any fords in the antque heavyer classes |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 9:14pm
| It would be nice for more color, yes I agree. There have been rules tried that say "factory turbochargers only" used for a County Fair for example. Well, then you have D-19's, 190 XT's and 200's running against 4010/20 Deere's without turbos. That doesn't go over well for a great deal of Deere owners, as they get their tails kicked. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2023 at 11:03pm
| i was thinking more of keeping it the gassers only 262, 301 or let them only be in fifty seven or eight d17, and leave all the diesel stuff the way it is. right out of the field stock will be the only place all the brands together , but thier is a reason the biggest and badest is at the end of the show with any kind of motorsports |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 6:46am
Yep, be like the clubs run by owners of half engine tractors: write the rules around your own tractor so you don't get beat. Pulling has always been a sport of innovation and skill, when you don't have those you whip the rest with your rule book. I don't really have a problem with rules for "out of the field" or "historic' tractors, Just thoroughly enforce them to keep tractors that don't qualify out of these type classes. However, leave all the restrictions off of the other classes. If it started life as a tractor, uses a tractor chassis and has basically the same engine as original and makes the weight it's a tractor. To all that want to add tremendous cubic inches don't cry about my turbo! Kinda like the "Colt" of the old west, an equalizer. You do you and let me be me. I've been many places over the years while pulling CAs where as I arrived, I was met with a welcoming attitude only to be told not to come back after beating them severely, often going more than half again the distance of the 2nd place tractor. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
HudCo wrote:Posted By: dgerth
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 8:35am
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I also enjoy the innovation and engineering that goes into most of the good running machines found at pulls. It for sure keeps the mind active and skills sharp rules or no rules. Have'nt got the heater installed yet Paul, blew a fire ring and had to replace it. Will get to it soon tho. Thanks again!
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 4:50pm
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The difference here, is wether someone has anything more important in their life than spending cubic money and all hours to hold a trophy. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what you start with, or what you build... the winner is the person who has the greatest volume of money to drop. Tractor pulling is a very demographically-confined event. Like any other, when the event becomes nothing more than a cubic money battle, the demographics become very, very constricted... so the number of grassroots entries go away, and the spectator volume dwindles. If we expect this sport is to stay viable, it's best to keep these things in mind. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: studer automotive
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 9:06pm
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You hit the nail in the head. Perfect example 1 local county fair allows hot rod tractors in the stock classes, every year the grassroot pullers stopped showing up ( including myself) the next county over which always has been a smaller pull keeps getting bigger. ( they keep the riff raff out) to the tune of 20-30 tractors per class vs the other down to 4-5 ------------- a-c 185-d y/r cab turbo soon 99 f-250 7.3 4x4 86 mustang5.0 owned since 8/93 |