TOYOTA 4 RUNNER ??
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Topic: TOYOTA 4 RUNNER ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: TOYOTA 4 RUNNER ??
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 6:27pm
A co worker purchased an '06 4 runner from a local "used car/truck" establishment 3 weeks ago. He took it to his local mechanic to make arrangements to "TWEAK IT OUT" with a body lift/wheels/ tires and air ride . His mechanic put it on the lift and discovered that the frame is cottage-cheese due to the previous owner ('s) did NOT partake in the original TOYOTA RECALL  . Does my co worker have any recourse for compensation ??
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Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 6:44pm
| I hope so for his sake, he'll have to contact a Toyota dealer or Toyota directly if possible to find out. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 6:53pm
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compensation ? From the USED car lot ? No, he bought a 16 year old USED car. Unless the car lot specifically said 'warrantied.........' on the bill of sale, it's very,very unlikely. I've seen enough Judge Judy's about used cars..... now the Toyota recall, probably has a 'limited time offer',maybe ONLY to the ORIGINAL owner. Someone will have to find the 16 year old paperwork on that recall, but my gut says 'sorry....either not original owner or time has elapsed. found this.... https://www.motorbiscuit.com/toyota-4runner-frame-recall-class-action-lawsuit/" rel="nofollow - https://www.motorbiscuit.com/toyota-4runner-frame-recall-class-action-lawsuit/ seems it's a recent 'recall', kinda, maybe....
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 7:56pm
| I just looked it up the frame recall expires 15 years from date of manufacture. Some used car dealers will work with you but not required to. It's just what their conscious will allow. Getting a lawyer is never worth it. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 8:07pm
Thanks Dave , this guy is doing his best to NOT get lawyers involved
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Dakota Dave wrote:Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 8:09pm
the poor guy was quoted $20,000 to have a certified Toyota shop put an ENTIRE brand new frame under that body/drivetrain though 
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 8:21pm
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The phrase caveat emptor springs to mind! Sure, you have a friend, I believe you!  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 9:41pm
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He’s about 3 weeks too late on putting the truck up on a lift. Should have looked at the underside before purchase. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 9:53pm
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You could always google it? ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 7:28am
Cottage cheese? So....the frame is lumpy? Kinda think you meant swiss cheese......brain cells required.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 9:21am
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If your going to BUY something, its not a bad idea to GOOGLE the truck/ tractor/ etc and see if it has a history as a POS prior to purchase. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 10:30am
Don't you feel more important that trusts us as his personal fact checker.I guess the blue has run out of Toyoaty emblem on this one.
Or would this one be the blue has run into the circle. Dang is it a oval or a circle, I will look at the Toyoaty that lives here when it returns. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 11:31am
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Ray... you probably OK in California... But if you live in SALT CITY MICHIGAN , where the roads are made of SALT instead of Concrete.... you might reconsider !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 12:22pm
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dang I'm impressed a 16 year old car is still on the road in SW Mich as it's a tossup who puts more salt on the roads, Mi or Ontario ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: fjdrill
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 2:51pm
| Sooo, somebody bought a 16-year-old vehicle in Mi and didn't look under the body? SON you have gots to bend those knees!! FWIW - There is more than likely a video on YT for that little situation! |
Posted By: Wayne180d
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 4:57pm
| Chicago uses more salt than anybody I think |
Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 6:48pm
| It's no secret that Toyotas including pickups of that vintage had that problem. Have a friend that had one showing early signs of the rust problem & he managed to trade it off while it still had some value. Not sure what year model they figured it out and hopefully fixed it. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:53am
| Mid 2010s to current Ford F150s are seeing a similar issue, Box section frames that cannot be cleaned OUT and were not treated or even thoroughly painted Internally with corrosion making them swiss cheese. Friend, Owner at local body shop has one they are reframing is a 2015, Ford is supplying the frame N/C just to accommodate the owner as only has 67xxx miles on it. Old Frame looks like something from the 1950s out of a dump so rusted, New frame looks similar in design but is different. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:05pm
I don't think there's ANY color in the toyota emblem, if there was, it would still be there unlike a FMC product
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:08pm
What is the under carriage condition of SEA SALT buggies, or is this an external/body issue ? I NEVER said where he bought the 4 Runner, You guys ASSUME too much
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:14pm
Sadly, I think it's the MDOT state road spreaders
. I cringe every time it snows as I have to drive at least 5 miles on state roads to get from point A-B |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:17pm
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[QUOTE=Dennis J OPKs]It's no secret that Toyotas including pickups of that vintage had that problem. Have a friend that had one showing early signs of the rust problem & he managed to trade it off while it still had some value. Not sure what year model they figured it out and hopefully fixed it.[/QUOTE My co worker says there "are" replacement frame kits (quadrants) but its finding a local welding shop to install
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 7:37pm
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y co worker says there "are" replacement frame kits YEP.... all it takes in $$$$$$$$$$$ .. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 6:39am
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I was looking at a real nice Tacoma last year. Then I raised it up on the lift. Holy Cow. Good thing I didn't test drive this t**d, probably would have broke in half. I wouldn't actually call them 'quadrants' just repair sections you weld in. That was the problem, there wasn't much to weld to because of the rust. Anything you touch is going to fall apart. Control arms, everything. Not a bolt on it would have come out in one piece. Checked into full frames, pffft. Price and availability wasn't feasible.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 11:11am
Toyty emblem is oval ...........................like Ford . An they let all colors  in very dark but don't know as you could call it black.Every place has a plus, I pay more for gas but no rust on any of the 20, or 30, or...............almost 50 year old trucks here.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 11:30am
| Japan's Low Grade Recycled Scrap steel shows out like the Rust days of 1970s GMs and IHC Light Duty trucks. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2022 at 6:04pm
But WHY did that steel only effect certain models of frames ??
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 6:47pm
The poor guy found out yesterday from an independent welding shop that there is no hope of salvaging his purchase 
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:03pm
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Can always buy another frame That would salvage it. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:06pm
Thanks,he's pursuing all options at this point and is literally sick about this purchase  .
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:10pm
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Recycled steel, contains all variety of alloys, loads of odd types where most recycling steel works only check for quality of pour and carbon content, called Bastard Steel. Lost Great Uncle to Laclede Steel roller mill, he was dragged in with steel being rolled out but cause undetermined. Many other cousins worked there where knew who they supplied, GM was a big buyer for trucks as was IHC, both turned to corroding piles in a few years. Laclede also produced black steel pipe for industry as gas line fitters where had similar results. Japan copied US recycling to keep costs down, thus the rust issues. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:43am
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Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens. Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 7:00am
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Well I do feel for he guy, but IF the entire rest of the truck is near mint, tossing 20K into the frame could be worth it,considering what new trucks sell for. Swapping in the new frame for not a 'big deal'. Just need tools, time and a place to store 'stuff'. I did a true frame off refurb of my 57 Willys pickup. The challenge was moving stuff around and around in the garage. Prety sure 'tetris' was invented from my moves.... Time to do the 'swap' ? probably 7-10 days of real work, mostly depends on tools and shop space. Several guys up here have swapped Chevy cabs and boxes. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 9:04am
Gassy thinks changing a coil on a plug is a major operation... I doubt he and "buddy" are doing a repair or frame swap.. 
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:31pm
Where did "I" come into the repair scenario ?? It AMAZES me the lack of post topic that escapes you
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:40pm
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:43pm
Thanks JAY for the info, his local mechanic said "NO WAY" on the frame swap as far as a labor $$ option
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 7:46pm
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OK another option..., find a same year vehicle say NM or SC ( no rust ) ,will be a GREAT 'rolling chassis', then swap the cab,box,tin.. That is an easy 'shade tree' mechanic or 'high school auto shop' project. box is 8 bolts, cab 6-8, rad/fenders another dozen ? NO brakes/gas lines to remove,chassis wires stay put. Any good parts from the 'rolling chassis' could be resold to recover some of the costs. It should only take 2 guys, 2-3 days to remove the good cab,box,etc. another 2-3 to put them on the 'rolling chassis', another 1-2 days to fill fluids and check stuff. There are 'tricks' to make it easier but it IS possible. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 8:35pm
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jay... if BUDDY has the same mechanical ability as FreeGas.... body change is a NON STARTER !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 7:12am
Who would think a frame is a liability? On a 16 year old vehicle?? Um, me for one. I've looked UNDER every used vehicle I've ever purchased.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 6:02pm
Have you "BAILED" on the purchase based on your sluicing? If so, what brand was it for frame failure to your standards ??
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 6:09pm
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[QUOTE=steve(ill)]jay... if BUDDY has the same mechanical ability as FreeGas.... body change is a NON STARTER !! [/QUOTE How do you know my "abilities" ?? Sadly, I've taken on more FORD engine issues than I EVER did with my '95 DODGE 1500 4x4 that dropped a front wheel bearing and I had to change it on the the side of the road
. I didn't even ruin the axle seal |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 8:14pm
If that last sentence wasn't a lame pun attempt, it was just stupid... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2022 at 7:42am
Gee Dave, you pick on him as if you had no consensus.
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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2022 at 1:39pm
| Ive had a couple vehicals the the sub frames rotted off. On was a BMW 2002 car looked great sub frames were paper thin I could crush with my hand traded back to the same BMW dealer i bought from. I got more than its was worth but it was a valuable collectable they knew it would sell. The second was a subaru turbo XT another good looking car but the body strenghteners and sub frames were shot I poked thru with my finger. I drove it to a buddies wrecking yard ulled the battery and watched it go thru the crusher. I didnt wantsome one to buy and put ack on the road. It looked good ran great. Was real fun to drive but had a lot of hidden cancer. |
Posted By: Wispitfiremike
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2022 at 8:56pm
| Bought a Ford Ranchero for 100$ back in the day LOL yea awhile ago but anyway the frame was rotted behind the cab and you could feel it flex when you stepped on the brake. Spooky. Swapped some parts I wanted off it and sold it to a boneyard. Two weeks later I start getting parking tickets on it as one of their employees was driving it back and forth to work. Called and had them take my name off title, explained the reason I sold but figured it was their call to drive it. Toyota had a major problem with these frames and had to recall or rebuy many still on the road. Had a buddy with a mint truck but rotten frame, he was po'd with offer from Toyota but what is option? Bottom line buyer beware. |