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Topic: D17 Duals
Posted By: Travis2766
Subject: D17 Duals
Date Posted: 16 May 2022 at 10:19pm
Picked up a set of duals for my D17 (cheap), looked online to try to find pictures and really couldn’t find many. Figured someone might want to see them, I don’t really need them but I think they look pretty bad azz!



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190XT Series III, D17 Series IV, D15 Series II, All Crop 66 and a whole mess of equipment.



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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 May 2022 at 10:24pm
You won't believe what a difference it makes in plowed ground discing.  The disc even works better !!!


Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 1:33am
In plowed ground your tractor won't leave nearly so deep tire tracks. You'll see a big improvement in how the disced ground looks. They will cause wear on brakes unless you make a wider turn, 

 We had duals for our 180, silly me got rid of them when I quit using it on a disc. Now wish had them back. They were 18.4x28". 


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Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 6:08am
That looks pretty sweet.


Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 7:29am
That not only looks awesome no doubt your traction really improved.

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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 8:52am
I've got a pair of 16.9x28 clamp-ons that would fit most 17's that I would sell..... Rims have nice fresh silver paint on them....


Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 1:12pm
They do look pretty cool. That's a nice looking D17.

He's the duals on my WD45. I just wish I had 8" spacers instead of 10"
My Great uncle had different duals on this WD45 years ago. He put wide tires on it and used to to break open wet muck ground to let it to dry.

I have a set for my 185 too but I never tried to mount them.




Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 1:21pm
Has anyone had final drive issues after running duals on these? It would put more stress on the finals that they weren't designed for. I always figured though if you were careful that you'd be ok. You should be running a few less PSI in the duals than in the mains. l've heard of several people running them without trouble.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 2:43pm
That's a great looking 45 Dave!


Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 4:06pm
Thanks Mike, Like Travis I thought they'd be cool.
When I was restoring this tractor, it was a goal of mine to get duals setup on it like my Great uncle did on this tractor.

I like plowing with the left dual on too. I have 3 weights on each side instead of fluid, and the dual really helps.


Posted By: Travis2766
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 6:04pm
I like the 10” spacers on the wd-45, I like the look of an open platform tractor with duals. I have 300lbs of wheel weights on each side rear plus fluid. The duals do make a big difference in ride and as far as “lugging” power.

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190XT Series III, D17 Series IV, D15 Series II, All Crop 66 and a whole mess of equipment.


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 6:23pm
Oh yeah , duals help a bunch and look so bad a$$$$


Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 11:15pm
I only used mine to plant corn. Made a big difference in soil packing.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 May 2022 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

soil packing.


This is where duals REALLY make a difference.  By spreading the tractive effort over larger surface area, the path of travel is compacted substantially less.  Soil distributes load based on surface pressure and the 'cone of compaction'... meaning, if you put 100lbs on a round spot of soil, then measure the compaction underneath, you'll find that the compaction force on the soil below is spread out in a cone with basically 45 degree angles... and as you travel down that cone, the compaction result drops considerable (based on the increasing diameter of the cone).

Rolling a tire along a path, creates what is essentially a 'curb' of compacted soil, where the higher the pressure, the deeper the cone reaches, and the tighter the compaction occurs.

By increasing surface area, running duals doesn't cut that compaction by half... it cuts it into quarters.

As noted, having a dual on ONE side when plowing, helps balance draft.

Running duals on both sides also effectively lowers the roll-center of a tractor, by moving mass AND by moving support farther away from it's center axis,   If you're working across a grade with a narrow-front, running duals will have a significant effect on lateral stability.

re 'hard on driveline'... is a relative thing.  'what it's designed for' is not a particularly well-defined thing.  While having duals mounted increases likelyhood of stresses in some aspects, the design criteria for 'real' tractors takes into account much greater tolerances for overload than say, a Toyota Prius.  A tractor that's plowing through a field, regardless of wheels, etc, that hooks onto an imoovable rock or stump, will stop with an astounding yank... and the shock forces are really high.  Frankly, the loading which occurs from pulling an ordinary plow through ordinary soil isn't easily 'calculable', because there's so much variablility across the agricultural landscape, that one can't just assume a particular value and 'build to it'.  The only way to survive that, and all the other crazy things that occur in the realm of agricultural work, is to have plenty-more-beef there than MOST of the time.  Anything less, and you wind up with a Ford N or a Kubota. LOL


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Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 18 May 2022 at 5:04pm
Wow Dave well said as usual! Thanks! Dana

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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 26 May 2022 at 6:39pm
To Travis , your D17 with duals is EXACTLY what we ran in the early '70's minus the loader arms (they were on the WD), brings back GREAT memories from my childhood Big smile !! 
There was a local guy that ran duals on a WD45 but no spacer , that was a "BAD ASS" looking machine also Clap


Posted By: MadCow
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 6:06pm
Found these pictures through Google and never realized I wanted something so bad.

That WD45 looks super slick!

I think a D17 is my next to add to my collection.


Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 11:15pm
I have a set of rail mount loops for clamp on duals. Some day I hope to have a use for them.

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Posted By: Travis2766
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2023 at 2:28pm
Once you find a D17 it shouldn’t be too hard to find a set of duals for it. I paid $100 for the the ones on mine, they’re not great and look better in the pictures but hey they’re duals and don’t need to be in pristine condition for the little work I use them for.

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190XT Series III, D17 Series IV, D15 Series II, All Crop 66 and a whole mess of equipment.


Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 1:20am
Here’s my 45 Diesel with duels…




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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 12:14pm
I have a pair of 16.9x28 band type duals I'm not using....



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