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Topic: A small observation coupled with some venting
Posted By: Morpar55
Subject: A small observation coupled with some venting
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 1:24pm
     So the wife and I were discussing some of the projects I have in mind for this summer and my best guess at what they would end up costing. She was not pleased when I told her I was guessing the tractor would take maybe another $3,000 to get to where I want it (for now). She remembered when Dad bought this tractor way back in the early 90's it was about $2,500 and dropping an additional (to what I have spent this year) $3,000 probably isn't worth it. Mind you I understand her perspective, but it isn't like I can replace my tractor with a similar sized one in similar shape for nearly what I have in mine.
     Which made me go looking online for a new tractor today, just to see what one costs. WOW!!! I was able to "build my tractor" on the John Deere and Bobcat sites, and for a 50 horsepower tractor with a front end loader, PTO, and rear lift system I came in between $25,000 and $30,000. And this isn't counting my concerns with the newer equipment being "difficult" for the average person to work on any more, unlike my old D17. Yes, if I rebuild the engine I will have about $5,000 or so I put into the tractor in the last year. But that $5,000 includes live hydraulics and a fully working loader to replace my trip bucket system, rewiring, repairing a bunch of small leaks, better tires and wheels on both ends, and a few smaller upgrades too. Personally I feel it's worth it, especially considering how prices on things have shot up this year. Plus for the most part if something goes bad on this tractor I can fix it. 


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1959 AC D17 Gas with some updates



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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 2:04pm
Now's the time to show her , on paper, the actual costs of 'new' vs 'fix'. I'm betting she won't pony up the difference between them so you get the NEW tractor.
good news is MY doghouse is heated..hope your is !



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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Morpar55
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 2:18pm
Yeah, not in the doghouse by any means, just told I need to "watch my spending". She doesn't recall I have most of the money for this work saved up already, but that's okay. As long as I get her 2 little projects done all will be well!

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1959 AC D17 Gas with some updates


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 2:44pm
Ok, do at least ONE of HER projects first !!


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 2:48pm
Many years ago my Dearly Beloved went with me to purchase an Ag Bagger for storing Haylage. The Dealer had a model the size that would work for me he had rebuilt. In the process of inspecting the machine my wife asked the price of a new machine. Dealer quoted her a price. She looked at me and said This one will do just fine!


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 5:51pm
When something doesn’t seem “worth it” after a long period of time, always consider inflation. Before the current ridiculous level of inflation, 3% is considered the go to number. So, say 30 years, that $2500 is a little more than $6000. Then, like you said, buy something comparable for$$$$. You’re doing good, it’s worth it!


Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 5:57pm
I think you would be money ahead on it.
We went through that before and still am on some of the old stuff we have here.
I state my case and these are our options........
I also know about clamping down on expenses.

Can be a tough call sometimes and hope all goes as planned.
Sometimes it doesn't but have made more positive ones than negative.
Learn from the negative is what I do and I listen to my gut feelings.
Need and want are two different things.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 7:03pm
Its a one time deal, not a yearly expense... Do it now, and you will never have to do it again.... Depreciate it over the next 30 years and it looks pretty good.

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 7:55pm
Also consider you may not get a new one for a year, not many available.

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1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner)


Posted By: Morpar55
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2022 at 8:10am
Last night the wife and I got a better chance to discuss a few things (she wasn't watching our grand-daughter at the time either) and I gave her the short version of costs (new versus old). She was shocked to say the least! All of a sudden this work on the tractor doesn't seem so expensive any more. Plus the whole idea this is the most work done to the D17 since 1959 swayed her a little more. Next up is talking her into some money to get the transmission done in my truck...

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1959 AC D17 Gas with some updates


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2022 at 8:17am
Also, like you say, you can work on it.  ANYTHING you buy now a days has a chip in it of some kind.  And as we all know, if there are electronics involved, it's gonna fail and the chips and parts aren't available.
Older car sales have gone through the roof lately also.  See the parallel?


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2022 at 10:40am
There's many facets to a decision of economics.  The key factors are:

1) can you 'write off' a large capital purchase, thus, convert it into a substantial tax shelter?  I'd hafta go study current MACRS rules, but unless you're using it for a significant business enterprise, it's likely you can't...

2)  NO machine goes without maintenance, and modern machines downright suck the life out of you for maintenance costs, but purchasing a 'new' one COULD get you on a 'shallow side' of the maintenance curve for a few years...  Will the cost of purchasing a 'new' tractor every 5 years, keep you in that 'sweet spot' where maintenance is minimal, at a cost lower than what you could do with a well-rebuilt classic?

3)  Does the new machine have some advantage of capacity or features that have a considerably higher value, or does the older suffice, and suit your immediate future needs?

In the case of a classic tractor, it is rare that the opportunity cost is high... even a seemingly EXPENSIVE outlay (transmission, engine, or tires) is tiny in comparison to something new...  but the new tractor will have fully-independant PTO and live hydraulics of the high-volume/low pressure flavor, the versatility of 3-point front and back... a cab with heat/air...

When a guy is unable to work on his own equipment, the circumstances change.  When a guy has a difficult time climbing onto one type, or isn't safe in extreme cold or heat, or cannot change implements, the formula changes.

Given this question, I'll ALWAYS tend to stick with a classic, and the D17 would be my first go-to on account of it's size, power, maneuverability, and versatility, but if I was 20 years older, couldn't climb, or change implements, couldn't turn wrenches, or didn't have a comfortable facility to split a tractor safely, it'd be a different story.

But sticker shock puts everything in perspective.


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 12:33am
I went to Jefferson City Missouri and bought a factory 3 point off a 170 and put it on my Series 4. I sold the aftermarket 3 point and drawbar off it. That paid for the trip, over night stay, and all the food we could eat/drink. We both enjoyed the trip. After I put the factory 3 point on, I was less frustrated at the end of a long day. I had to take the after market 3 point off every time I used the snap coupler. The factory 3point made the D17 into the handiest tractor I have ever run. I'd sure spend the money on your D17 if I wuz you. By including her in the trip, the old gal was OK with everything.



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