High Priced B
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Topic: High Priced B
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: High Priced B
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:33am
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Trying to see what is so special about this B that it is commanding $2,000 http://cgi.ebay.com/1940-Allis-Chalmers-Model-B-Tractor-/180559823234?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a344182#ht_720wt_1138 - http://cgi.ebay.com/1940-Allis-Chalmers-Model-B-Tractor-/180559823234?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a344182#ht_720wt_1138 ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:52am
| well, it obviously has the latest Krylon paint job available. He said that it has been gone through from top to bottom and the clutch seems good. If it had been gone through from top to bottom he woould have installed at least a new clutch disc and would know with certainty the condition of the clutch. $2000 is a little high. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:57am
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I think he just done a super duper job painting those rims. I think there could be a bidding war. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:04am
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It is likely that he is trying to get some money back from what he did, and perhaps a little "pay" for his efforts. It is sad to say, but it is most likely that no B would ever recoup the time and materials cost of bringing it back to "near museum quality".
Exceptions to the B value rules would be the Waukesha B, Potato Special, Asparagus Special or one of the 260 IB's with the B serial number. They would be worth putting a lot of attention to.
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Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:09am
I didn't see the Rattle Can Special in that list... ... is the seller bidding on his own item!? |
GlenninPA wrote:Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:19am
| When I moved to my place in 1978 nice B's & C's were $1500-$2000. I ended up with a $650.00 WD. It had a loader,heat house,weights, & a 6' snow bucket. Why do people hesitate at buying a B with a Woods mower, that will last a lifetime (with a little care of course) but will think nothing at spending that much on a Lowes throwaway mower to mow their 3 acre lawn?...Harvey |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:20am
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Glenn, It has been meticulously gone through from top to bottom. That's why you see silver paint on the tires, no clamps on the air breather tube and a hose clamp on the shifter boot. I wonder why the brakes are in the locked position and aren't locked??
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:23am
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It is a rattle can overhaul, you can put 2K in a motor quick, maybe he is trying to re-coup some money spent. Not saying it is worth 2K, just trying to justify his price. Does look like it has decent rubber.
I do have a D14 I would consider selling, I would need 2 for it, not worth 2, motor and clutch are new, like I siad I would need 2 for it but it aint worth 2 ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Cal
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:24am
| Maybe its the hard to find plow bail brackets that command a high price, or the the rare boob in the rear where the more common PTO would be. Cal in Ct. |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:30am
| Just took a look see at this tractor, and as we've all heard, everything is bigger & better in Texas! I will now apologize to our Texas Forum members as I've been around Fred too much and have learned to insult people, Sorry & Thanks...Harvey |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:32am
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Harvey, it's because most folks are not skilled at fixing anything much less a 50 year old tractor even if that tractor is very simple. The fact that the vintage tractor has no warranty and the new mower has one. The box store can finance it also. Quality has little to do with it. They live pay check to pay check and can't scrape together enough for the ocasional repair to the old tractor. Their cost is fixed with financing plus no repairs because of the warranty. They don't look long term. It's also why lots of people buy new cars every 3-5 years. OK off the soap box now. I'm with you Harvey! ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: R Aiken
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:39am
| The arch of the front axel looks to be higher than normal. Could it be an asparagus? |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 8:12am
Good eye, didn't notice that ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: jjrosty
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 8:43am
| Ive seen this tractor on ebay before. the brakes are in backwards |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 8:54am
| Unless I missed it no one remarked about the all steel steering wheel. Rather than repairing the cracks just remove them. That idea has to be worth at least a grand. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 9:12am
| Sounds like too much but without driving it who can really say it is too much. Obviously the front axle is not the standard B arched front axle. If it was closer than Corpus I would have to have a look see. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 10:52am
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There was a B on Craigslist around Loveland, Colo for $4,500. It looked nice in the pictures but if I wanted to spend $4500, or even $2000 on an AC, it would be a bit newer.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 10:55am
| Not an asparagus B front end. Just looks like it's been really bent up. Doesn't have the high spindles that the asparagus B does. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 12:42pm
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Your correct on the front end assembly Morten. The tie rod has been given a steeper bend. That took some real talent to get it narrowed up and keep both sides even and the spindles straight. I get the idea that the seller wouldn't know what was correct and waht wasn't. Whoever did the work was most likely a hot rod builder or at least read a lot of material on building hot rods.
I first thought it was just a camera angle but looking thru the steering wheel you can tell it has been narrowed up in the front.
Looking thru the steering wheel you might also notice that a bushing was not replaced in the steering tube.
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 2:34pm
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I don't think the front wheel can turn any more than they are as the steering bracket will hit the arch. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 2:52pm
| YOU GUYS are JEALOUS of his rattle can restore. Would you RATTLE CAN anything that would have any Sentimental Value to you! |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 3:28pm
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How did he know that I liked my tires half silver and my tractor half there? That way it messes with your mind when you watch it move. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 3:57pm
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:26pm
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High price - Too High!! but after all it is a B.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:59pm
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I like when he said completely restored, then listed all the excepts !!!! how many belts and hoses are on a B ? answer- too many to replace on a complete restore ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:26pm
You got to admit - the seller is a good pitch man. |
Posted By: bobsouthernky
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:44pm
| No lawn mowing with this unless you put foot peddles on the mower. |
Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:54pm
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i don`t know that much about eBay but why would one bid 1000 and then rebid 2000 on the same thing wouldn`t that be biding against your self B:-) Dnoym |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 8:39pm
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He must have two different personalities and both of them want that tractor. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: OrangeFever
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 9:14pm
| With fresh paint Id ask myself whats wrong with it. Maybe to make a quick buck... |
Posted By: allallis2
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 10:01pm
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would not be exaggerating to say that this tractor has the potential to be put into museum quality condition. It is not there now - simply a very good restore - but it would be a strong candidate for that level of restoration
REALLY!!!?? dude is on crack!! Hell I could spend another 2000 to repaint the poor thing! Well you know what they say... their are two things in texas..... steers and HIGH PRICED POORLY RESTORED ALLIS CHALMERS! ------------- 1955 G,1938 wc unstyled, 1938 A 1938 B, 1949 G |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 4:38am
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I think you are being a little rough on Texans.
If you want to see a top notch Texas B, check out Gary's 1938, that he and Ken did back to as original as they could figure. Now that is a sweet machine, and you know it was done right. Would somebody give Gary $2k for it? They might, but I bet that Gary wouldn't be getting his money back out of it!
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Posted By: GA-IN-TEXAS
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 6:46am
| GLENN, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT I HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THAT IN MY 38 BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESTORE TO ORIGINAL AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCHH YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND,I WOULD SUGGEST YOU NOT DO IT, IT CAN GET VERY EXPENSIVE,BUT GETING IT BACK TO ORIGINAL IS PART OF THE FUN OF DOING A COMPLETE RESTORATION .---I LIVE IN TEXAS,IAM A STEER NOT A ....... I DO HAVE A HIGH PRICED COMPLETE ORIGINAL RESTORED 1938 MODEL B A.C. |
Posted By: Bee
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 7:14am
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looks like the B I bought, which has silver painted front wheels! yikes.
------------- Bob, North Carolina 1949 B |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 7:36am
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Allallis2 owes Gary and I an apology. And it is not a SIMPLY A VERY GOOD RESTORE as anyone with eyes can see. Gary and I have much higher restoration standards.
Ken in Texas
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Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 7:40am
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Yall fergot sumpin,rear tires don't match!!
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 7:44am
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Seems to me that AC didn't paint the fan and air cleaner silver, either. ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 11:26am
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The problem with spending 2000 or more for this one is that it looks to me that to take it up to Garys Texas B you would have to take it down and spend another 2000 or more.
When a seller states that things (seems) alright is a lot like those selling used pistons, sleeves and crankshafts and say they (look good). Better eyes that I would have.
I emailed a fellow about a set of used pistons and sleeves, where he had stated that they looked real good, and ask if he could measure them for me before I bid. He emailed me back and told me I was a bit to fussy to buy his stuff.
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Posted By: craigreavley
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 11:35am
| This fella says that it is an excellent restoration and is the "cream of the crop"He hsa been restoring tractors for years, including spray painting silver paint on the rear tires, and spray painting the spark plugs, and wires. What a joke! He claims is is all original colors????????? |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 11:39am
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I tend to agree with Dick on this one. Just because someting like a piston had no scuffing on it doesn't mean it's worn below any sort of useable limits.
Depending on what the evilbay seller had to fix on that tractor to make it runable, $2K adds up quick when labor is counted. Very few tractors can be restored for less than the fair market value when finished. I've spent more in engine parts/machine work on my series 1 D17D than an excellent series 4 sells for. I'll definitely have a silk purse made from a sow's ear when done. But then again, it's mine and not going anywhere for a long time. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 11:50am
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OK you guys have just about covered everything wrong with this rattle can ovhl'd piece of crap. What you all failed to see is this is obviously a shill bid tractor. But then again what isn't shill bid on Ebay these days. I called someone out on it just the other day and WOW! did I get and email earful. How dare I accuse someone of shill bidding hehehehehehehe. Just watch and see if it sells but miraculously will show back up with bidder didn't pay excuse. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 11:57am
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Shill bidding and paypal fraud is why I don't spend any time on evilbay anymore. I have to be desperate to find something I can't get anywhere else to buy on evilbay. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Roddo
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 12:15pm
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If you look close you can see there are rust pinholes in the sheetmetal in one of the pictues too. Thats what museum quality is all about. |
Posted By: k.johnb
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 12:18pm
| i would like 2 find a model C tricyle gear cheap i think like a 1946 |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 12:28pm
| How cheap? |