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Topic: Cover Crop ??

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Cover Crop ??
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:09pm

Holy

!! I just drove past a field of soybeans that were planted after last falls "cover crop" . This field has EVERY weed that "I've" ever seen that NEVER had them before in the past 15 years that I've been driving past this property. To those that plant a CC, what's the percentage of weed seed that you've read on the bags ?

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Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:13pm

The seeds are usually there, just best practice management keeps there from being a problem. Sounds like the owner of this field is maybe starting to transition into organic.

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:22pm

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 5:58am

Guess it depends what he put in for a cover crop. King's agriseed is a small dealer around us. They make a lot of blends for cover crops with radishes, chicory and other weird stuff. If fact they call one of them ray's crazy mix. Maybe he didn't round up the cover crop

Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:20am

I've only ever used rye as a CC. One bag( bushel ?) for the 1/4 ac veggie patch. Never noticed any weed seeds as I hand broadcastted the rye out....

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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:28am

There are billions of weed seeds in the soil, expose them to sunshine and they'll grow. Been a fantastic year for weeds it seems. Cover crops or not, you still have to spray (or, organic you cultivate and whatever and hope and pray for the best....) Weeds never cease to amaze me. Kill them year after year after year, turn your back or get a little to late on spraying and you have a carpet of weeds. Even a couple % weed seed in a bag of seed would be a drop in the bucket compared to the seed in the soil.

Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 8:49am

FREEDGUY wrote:

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

You do know that organic doesn’t mean you have to plant with a team of mules, right?

Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 10:54am

Tbone95 said a mouth full. Who every came with the idea that you could get rid of a weed after 7 years of keeping it out is lying.

I believe seeds can live in the ground thousands of years. Yes 99% of seeds may be dead in 7 years, but it only takes one seed to grow. The nasty weeds always make the most seeds.

Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 12:12pm

Amaranth species have been shown to produce 140,000 SEEDS PER PLANT!!!! That’s a soybean population per acre almost.

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 6:41pm

Red Bank wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

You do know that organic doesn’t mean you have to plant with a team of mules, right?

What a RICHARD Head reply Wink

!! Thanks for it and I've "noted" your lack of post #'s Big smile

Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 6:45pm

FREEDGUY wrote:

Red Bank wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

You do know that organic doesn’t mean you have to plant with a team of mules, right?

What a RICHARD Head reply Wink

!! Thanks for it and I've "noted" your lack of post #'s Big smile

Aah the post number jealosy thing, again... Lets see, you have more than Red Bank, so that makes you better than him. Conversely, I have more than you! Catch me if you can! Wink

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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 6:48pm

Tbone95 wrote:

There are billions of weed seeds in the soil, expose them to sunshine and they'll grow. Been a fantastic year for weeds it seems. Cover crops or not, you still have to spray (or, organic you cultivate and whatever and hope and pray for the best....) Weeds never cease to amaze me. Kill them year after year after year, turn your back or get a little to late on spraying and you have a carpet of weeds. Even a couple % weed seed in a bag of seed would be a drop in the bucket compared to the seed in the soil.

There's NEVER been foxtail, giaint ragweed, button weed, AND mares tail in this area in the last 20 years !!! It's has to be the CC seed Ouch

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 6:52pm

[QUOTE=Tbone95]Amaranth species have been shown to produce 140,000 SEEDS PER PLANT!!!! That’s a soybean population per acre almost. [/QUOTE

I recall our old seed rep telling HORROR STORIES about the Amarath weeds Ouch

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:01pm

DiyDave wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

Red Bank wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

You do know that organic doesn’t mean you have to plant with a team of mules, right?

What a RICHARD Head reply Wink

!! Thanks for it and I've "noted" your lack of post #'s Big smile

Aah the post number jealosy thing, again... Lets see, you have more than Red Bank, so that makes you better than him. Conversely, I have more than you! Catch me if you can! Wink

Do yourself a favor, stop bullying others, might be the beer talking, may just be your personality... Beer

So we're moving EAST from Missouri to Maryland Wink

There's more POST #'s that bully respondents IMO, and I made a factual reply Clap

What's YOUR thoughts on the topic at hand ??

Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:02pm

We never see any foxtail in a dry year but in a wet year with fields with large amounts of nitrogen, it can destroy a soybean field in two weeks

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:35pm

Thanks Dr pepper Wink

, its been 30 years since I've see foxtail, now that I think about it, I can't recall the last time I've seen "button" weed Cry

. The ONLY thing this field was missing was GYMPSUM WEED Confused

Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:38pm

FREEDGUY wrote:

DiyDave wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

Red Bank wrote:

FREEDGUY wrote:

No, by NO means is this BTO getting into organic !! They blew in the CC with a 400+hp Deere wheeled 4x4 with a "high speed" drill/seeder last fall Wink

You do know that organic doesn’t mean you have to plant with a team of mules, right?

What a RICHARD Head reply Wink

!! Thanks for it and I've "noted" your lack of post #'s Big smile

Aah the post number jealosy thing, again... Lets see, you have more than Red Bank, so that makes you better than him. Conversely, I have more than you! Catch me if you can! Wink

Do yourself a favor, stop bullying others, might be the beer talking, may just be your personality... Beer

So we're moving EAST from Missouri to Maryland Wink

There's more POST #'s that bully respondents IMO, and I made a factual reply Clap

What's YOUR thoughts on the topic at hand ??

The topic at hand is I made a factual reply you didn’t. And if anything was being a Richard Head here it’s you. So I guess someone over at YT didn’t actually bring up weeds and cover crops so that means you were sitting at the railroad track looking at the field to your right thinking about how hot your beer was getting while you were waiting on the train to pass and you noticed the weeds?

Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:42pm

FREEDGUY wrote:

Holy [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp"> !! I just drove past a field of soybeans that were planted after last falls "cover crop" . This field has EVERY weed that "I've" ever seen that NEVER had them before in the past 15 years that I've been driving past this property. To those that plant a CC, what's the percentage of weed seed that you've read on the bags ?

Now before you cry about me going off topic have you ever considered the field got skipped on spraying by accident?

Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 7:00am

FREEDGUY wrote:

There's NEVER been foxtail, giaint ragweed, button weed, AND mares tail in this area in the last 20 years !!! It's has to be the CC seed Ouch

Well then it HAS to be. K, whatever. Or they changed tillage practices a year or two ago. Or something else. But you know. And….still had it been sprayed timely, you would have never noticed.

Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 8:54am

Freedguy, the field you mention is probably a combination of 2021’s challenging weather(overly abundant spring/summer rains) & post COVID limited supplies?? Cover crops(CCs), in most states that watershed into the Mississippi River basin (states between the Rockies & Appalachians), are probably here to stay. It boils down to lots of changes which requires a new norm of thinking. For the CCs that don’t get frost-killed, an early season roll-down and/or herbicide burndown is required. My local coop informed me in March that their Liberty post herbicide supply was very limited, so we opted to used a more aggressive pre-plant.

Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 6:24pm

Thanks 7060, as of this evening, the plethora of weeds weeds in this field are turning "brown" after I "assume" a healthy dose of herbicides that are "still" legal to be applied Embarrassed

. This is NO "organic" operation Wink

Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 6:59pm

Weed populations HERE, and IN MO. are the worst we as a group of neighbors have seen in a decade or more, not unheard of as noted due to perfect storm weather for them, and we have Foxtail by the Ton around here where the Spray Coupes have been more active that usual.