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Topic: Trailer questions
Posted By: JSHIVERS
Subject: Trailer questions
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:34pm
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I have a B and I have a 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the V-8 and automatic. What I don't have is a trailer should I want to take it to a show or fair, in for repairs, etc. I've never had a trailer and this is my first tractor. So big learning curve here. Can I get some suggestions from y'all about a good trailer for me and my B? Size, weight, materials, brand, etc. What approximately should I pay. What to watch out for. Is my Jeep enough to haul the B? And anything else you can think of. Thanks!
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:48pm
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The B weight is about 2000 pounds. A small single axle trailer might be 1000 pounds. A small light duty double axle car trailer ( 16 ft, 7000# capacity) might be 2000 pounds. As long as your jeep can pull 4000 pounds, you should be OK.. Personally i like a double axle compared to the single for moving equip. You can get them FLAT or you can get with 15 ( approx) inch angle iron sides. Either would work for you. Most states if you title your trailer for under 8000 pounds, it is a lower rate. Some states will require brakes on one axle, some on both axles. You will need to get a brake controller for your Jeep and run a few wires to the back plug, and power from the battery.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:51pm
for what your doing, the BRAND NAME is probably not that important. You can find trailers used or new. New is in the $3000 - 3500. range ... Used depends on the condition. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:57pm
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Mape
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:59pm
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The Jeep is lots to tow with and a B doesn’t weigh much (around 2000 lbs) so it doesn’t take much of a trailer to haul a B. That being said I find trailers a lot like garages and tractors, you always have times you wish you had a bigger one. Personally I like a low flat trailer with good ramps that store on or under the trailer. I found fold up ramps in the way when wanting to load things onto the trailer with a forklift or tractor. I also like a trailer with some kind of jack/post that supports the back of the trailer when you’re driving something onto the trailer. It saves have to block it up and doesn’t pick the back of your truck off the ground. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:44pm
| Seems crazy that the trailer will weigh as much as the tractor, but I will admit four wheels allows better positioning of the load on the trailer and helps keep from overloading the trailer hitch on the tow vehicle. A ten foot long deck is PLENTY long enough for a model "B" tractor. I haul around all my smaller tractors (D-17.....WD45......170 with 5500 lbs max weight) on a 12 ft trailer with 3500 lb axles and the empty trailer weighs 1650 lbs. It is homemade and was made by myself to be light weight but strong where the wheels/tires would be resting. Which way you drive the tractor on the trailer will make a difference on hitch weight. I have my tandem axles pulled rearward from the beds center probably 18" to 24" so I can drive the tractor on nose first and load the pickup hitch properly. Again, the advantage of building your own trailer. Make it work instead of compromising with an already built trailer trying to load it in a balanced fashion. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:46pm
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I bought a 16ft dual axle 10,000lb trailer new. It's licensed for 8000. I had them put bobcat ramps and a rub rail on when they built it. Hauls a B with no problem. I really don't use it much so it was more for convenience than anything. Like has been said a million times-It's not about pulling it's about stopping! Make sure you have trailer brakes. I bought new so I would have piece of mind that it was a good trailer. Still nothing wrong with used. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 2:05pm
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I have an 18 ft 10K trailer that i use for about everything.. Like you said, it is real handy.. BUT you pay extra in Illinois to get that 10K plate instead of the 8K plate... For the OP, just getting into this, i think a 12- 16 ft double axle light duty trailer is ideal. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 2:18pm
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Steve I would agree but I do have a WD-45 also. That's why mine is licensed for 8000lbs. I do have a 14ft single axle also but I really don't ever use it anymore. Kinda a light built trailer. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 2:36pm
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You ought to consider getting an equalizing hitch with it. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 3:09pm
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Mike, i put 10K plates on ours because the boy has a 7500# Bobcat that gets moved from time to time.. We did have a 7000# capacity 16 ft car trailer... Was pushing the limit when moving a 5000# vehicle so sold it and bought the 10K several years ago. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:01pm
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As the good doctor says, a 10' long trailer would be nice. NO sense hauling 'dead weight' that'll cost MPG ! Tandem axle, BOTH with brakes and put backup lights on it !! I don't know how guys backup their trailers at night, long windy driveway with steep ditches.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 7:42pm
A heavy axle (single) tilt bed would be perfect for a B. I have an old Snowco, that I use to pull about a 1500# lawn mower with, something like that would probably work perfect for you. I pull that mower and trailer with a ford ranger with a small block v-6. I paid $650 for the trailer, used. If you want to go new, start looking at local dealers, as you will probably will be paying sales tax on a titled trailer. If you go out of state, sometimes saving money on the price of the trailer adds hassles, getting out of state trailers transferred over, state to state... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 7:53pm
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Tandem axle car hauler. You'll have to get the trailer brake controller installed and wired to the rear. Next you need a Reese type hitch installed. Along with the correct hitch and ball. You will need chains and binders, or heavy duty ratchet straps and then learn the correct way to put them on. When you put the tractor on the trailer you want some tongue weight but not so much it makes the tow vehicle squat. I always carry a small jack stand with me to put under the rear of the trailer when loading and unloading. You will probably want to buy a utility jack, or farm jack, or whatever they call them where you live. It's the easiest way to change a flat on a trailer. Oh, and a four way lug wrench. You may have to buy a spare tire since most trailers don't come with one. Before getting on the road, make sure the trailer brakes work. Remember all of that extra weight when you need to stop. If you forget, it could get messy. That is just a few of the needs of a trailer. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:13pm
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A single axle trailer for hauling a B may be just fine if you had a 3/4 ton pickup pulling it. However as you have a JEEP SUV, be safe and go with a tandem trailer with brakes on both axles and a weight distributing hitch. The rainy day you're going down a curvy hill and a school bus is around the corner with it's lights flashing you'll be glad you have everything. Travelling on the highway with a load is not the place to be going cheap. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:33pm
For hauling a B ?? That system is probably more $$ than the B is worth
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Dusty MI wrote:Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 10:41pm
| I bought a tandem axle car trailer about 25 years ago while the boy's were in school. I am still using it today. Yes I put a new plank floor in it when I bought it. I put 4 new 10 ply tires on it at that time. This past spring I repacked the wheel bearings and put 4 more new 10 ply tires on it. Brakes on 1 axle are more than sufficient. I just got done hauling a V6 Dodge Dakota 100 + miles last weekend. My 2019 Chevy averaged 18 mpg pulling it with the Dakota on the trailer. There will be times in your life when you are going to want to haul something bigger than your B. I would not buy a single axle trailer. You want an 8' wide bed, as low to the ground as possible. You cannot get a small car on a tall trailer without problems. Built in ramps are defiantly a +. I do not have a equalizing hitch on this trailer. It works fine without it. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:20am
| Any "low-profile" car hauling trailer is only going to be 6 ft 6 inches wide in-between the fenders, which is more than enough for any "B" . To get an 8 ft deck width you have to go over the top of the tires, which it ain't low profile anymore. An equalizer type hitch would be money spent foolishly on a small load like this. Four wheeled trailer works the best and once you figure out where the load needs to be on the trailer, mark your tie down chains with zip ties so you always get it exactly in the same spot time after time for safe balanced towing. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:36am
| I also vote for the tandem axle,, you'll find a lot more things to use your new trailer for,, and be prepared to gain a lot of "new" friends,, yea,, they will want to borrow it.... |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 8:38am
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Duh , Most trailer's cost more then the tractor is worth . What is being SAFE WORTH and for other's on the road. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 8:44am
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Don’t mess around with utility trailers get a gooseneck and have something decent I’ve hauled anywhere from a CA to my 8050 on mine. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 9:18am
YEP... Get a 30 ft Goose neck rated at 20K pounds... Tie it to the ROOF of that little JEEP and load a 1900# tractor on it !!   ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 9:34am
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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:05am
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One thing to consider. What is that Jeep rated for? Really get the best you can afford! Oh and like some, this may not be your last tractor!!!!!! Hey good luck. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:43am
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Now with all the do's and don'ts you just get to juggle it with how much money you are willing to spend. Remember in todays world
you don't need to have money to spend it. Some mythical hero out of the future will pay all our duet off. Oh since ant nobody else said it yet just go buy the biggest semi tractor on the lot with nice low deck hydraulic beaver tail trailer and load the B in front and the Jeep on the back. Never mind you don't have a license for a rig that big, you are a farmer. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 5:00pm
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Let’s face it, a gooseneck trailer with a dove tail is best but he states he has a Jeep with a V8, and assuming a trailer tow package. With that being said and as others have suggested, a nice 16’ 2 axle with brakes is all he needs. It’s safer, not terribly expensive to find a used one and add a brake controller on his Jeep. If he upgrades to bigger tractors then the vehicle will have to be upgraded as well. I’ve seen nice used ones for $800-$1200. Good luck, I hope you find one. If your Jeep has the 4.7, 5.2 or 5.9 v8 then you will have plenty of power to pull it. Just remember, going fast isn’t safe, take your time and give yourself plenty of room from the idiots that don’t know how to drive. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2021 at 9:30pm
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You do not want a single axle trailer. It will be maxed out with a B with no ballast. For many years I hauled my CA on a 6x12 tandem axle trailer with a 4 cyl Ford Ranger. Worked well except you didn’t get up to speed quickly. Brakes on the trailer are a must. Iowa requires brakes on all road wheels on any trailer rated for 3000 lbs and up. I would guess most states are going to be similar. Even if not, it just makes good sense to be able to stop quickly when needed. In my truck I have a Tekonsha Prodigy P3 brake controller. I like that it engages the brakes in sync with the truck vs the cheaper models that just jerk you around, especially in slow speed maneuvers like in a parking lot. Absolutely positively NEVER tow in overdrive, unless you want to destroy your transmission. It will quickly overheat and ruin your day. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: BEK
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2021 at 7:40am
| Another vote for a tandem axle trailer. If you get a flat tire with a tandem axle trailer the B is light enough where you can keep towing and get off of the road to a safe location. For this reason alone I won't own a single axle trailer again. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2021 at 7:49am
| A Jeep is not much of a towing vehicle. I would try to get the lightest trailer that has the weight capacity that you need. I would consider an aluminum trailer. It will be more expensive but you'll be a lot lighter and haul more/better/safer. |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 6:48am
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I once sold a B with a single axle boat trailer under it, with a piece of plywood and 4-2x6s under that. delivered it 50 miles. I wouldn't do that again tho...LOL The guy wanted the trailer too on delivery, so I sold that too.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 7:40am
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Had a quick look, and according to Edmunds, that JEEP can tow 5000#, so it'll pull a B on a small tandem trailer no problem,especially with a V8. I KNOW a 73 CJ-5 could tow a carhauler with 67 stang on it. Yeah not exactly quick off the light but did the job. Have a custom trailer built ,narrower and shorter will shave 100s of pounds of unecessary weight off. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 7:47am
| And, a proper 2-wheel trailer COULD work and be safe. The problem (most of the time) is people don't know how to properly load a 2-wheel trailer. Once properly loaded, the tie down chains or the floor or something has to be marked so it gets loaded exactly the same every single time. Six inches of incorrectness on positioning can be a disaster. |
Posted By: Rod in MN
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 10:08am
| Hi, I would not get a single axle trailer and tandem axle will be a smoother ride. Get brakes on both axles so if you would cross state lines you would be all ok with laws. Get a rub rail and stake pockets for chain tie down. And storage box for chains and chain binders with the sealed cover and with a way to lock it up. Get a 7 pin electric plug in |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 11:45am
I'm with you there; short wheelbase lightweight towing rig with ample horsepower plus heavy trailer is a a good way for bad things to happen. Definitely use a weight equalizer hitch with stabilizer bars on that thing. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 12:57pm
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Good grief guys, he's towing a 2100 pound tractor to the fair. I've seen plenty of Jeep Grand Cherokees towing campers and loaded with gear surely totaling more than that. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 1:13pm
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YEA... i dont think he is going to buy a $50,000 truck and trailer to pull a $1000. tractor to the show... See lots of Crossovers and Jeeps pulling campers and pop-ups.. Not a problem........... 2000# trailer and 2000# tractor will do just fine.. He is not going cross country. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Rod in MN
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 2:38pm
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Hi. You will have to look if you have a 4 pin or a 7 pin or both for trailer lights. The Jeep may have a wire tucked back in to the main wiring going to the rear. And it may be the same way under the hood by the fuse box. You would have to do some checking on the wiring. You may have to put a beak controller in the jeep on the low dash There my be a wiring harness you can buy it a parts store that will plug in to your truck and the brake controller First drive around with a empty trailer and get the fell off just the trailer, then load up tractor and drive around with that and step on the brakes see if you can feel the trailer brakes working if not turn up the brake controller and check again |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 6:04pm
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When I bought my trailer they said to have the rear of my truck squat a couple of inches when loaded. Also when you set your trailer brakes with your controller do it on gravel so you don't get a flat spot on the tires. I also have a rub rail and bobcat ramps on mine. Like has been said-it's not the towing but the stopping. Buy the most and best trailer you can afford. Sounded like an easy deal when you first asked I am sure. Good luck. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 7:06pm
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I have an 18 foot with 2 3500 lb axles that I haul a B and golf cart, tow with a 2016 V6 Chevy Colorado Z71, no problems going or stopping. Common sense and be careful. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2021 at 7:18pm
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You'll almost always need a 7 pin connector to get brakes and backup lights. JEEP is prewired for brake controller(everything since mid90s is...). Not many trailers have backup lights but the connection is there, so spend $20 and add them. Also if you get the chance ,upgrade to BOTH axles having brakes.Maybe only $100-$200 extra. Trying to stop 5000# tail wagger in the rain,going downhill isn't 'fun'. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: JSHIVERS
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2021 at 6:23pm
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Thank you to everyone so far. I'm getting a lot of good ideas on what to look for and what to watch out for. I know way more about trailers now than I ever expected to. Appreciate all the comments. Keep them coming.
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2021 at 8:25pm
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Getting the B loaded correctly is also key. Get a 2axle trailer as I and others have said. After its hooked up correctly to your trailer hitch and locked down, Pull the B up on the trailer and watch your vehicle as you pull forward. Somewhere centered over the axles, your Jeep should be squatting some but not too much or it will be too light in the front end, but not too much to the rear of the trailer or it will actually make the rear of the Jeep rise causing an undesirable light rear end and lose of braking and traction. Either condition is dangerous. You will find a happy medium after loading several times and towing with it. Only a few inches either way makes a world of difference. Too low of a rear end squat will cause swaying due to front end not having enough weight to control steering and it can cause you to jack knife the trailer. Too high of rear end can also cause loss of control and hopping especially under braking. I have had to rearrange my tractor on the trailer before once under way and notice I have a problem. Once you have a few pulls under your belt it will become second nature to you how your trailer and vehicle respond. SUV’s, short bed trucks, long bed trucks all tow differently. So, 2 axle trailer, brakes on each axle, brake controller in your Jeep, use common sense, take your time, and arrive safely. No problem ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |