Off color tractor
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Topic: Off color tractor
Posted By: Travis2766
Subject: Off color tractor
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 6:55am
Picked this up last week, I know it’s not the right color but it’s been hard to find any used equipment at a decent price this year and beggars can’t be choosy! Needed something for raking hay and hoping this will do.  ------------- 190XT Series III, D17 Series IV, D15 Series II, All Crop 66, Rotobaler. |
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 7:25am
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I had one of those in the early 60's. I really liked it. I used it to clavate corn and mow & rake hay. I had a sim-mounted mower and it was a pain to go from mowing to clavating. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: JLS retired
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 10:17am
| had an M( bit bigger) that I raked and tedded with. seat was almost directly over the hitch which made it easy to cut back short to double windrows or deal with point rows. long wheel base and big tires smoothed out the ride, and you were up high so tedding didn't fill your shirt collar with loose hay, |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 1:39pm
| I always liked to rake hay with my WC and a New Holland rake, it has a adjustable length drawbar and I could rake double windrows with a perfect end for baling. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 3:16pm
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They are a great nimble tractor for pulling a rake, which doesn't require a 100+ HP cab tractor to pull despite what many farmers of today think. As mentioned above the drawback was switching factory equipment from on job to another that wasn't a drawbar implement. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 5:59pm
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Why a NFE tractor for raking hay? Yes it turns narrower but any twd tractor will turn tight enough to catch the rake tongue on the tires. If you got the haybine/discbine fanned out at all it’s impossible to not run your windrow over. Looks like a good way to loose leafs on the hay. We rake with 6080’s even my grandfather never used his NFE C after he got his brothers D12. ------------- 8030, 7060, six 6080’s grandpa’s D17, 8760, 8100, and 8970 Deere. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 6:04pm
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I dont think he REQUESTED the narrow front end... When your buying USED, you take what you get. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 12:39am
Tractorhouse had 7,926 tractors between 40 and 99 hp listed not exactly slim pickings. Be different it was after WWII and stuff was rationed. What do you got next? ------------- 8030, 7060, six 6080’s grandpa’s D17, 8760, 8100, and 8970 Deere. |
steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 5:13am
| I guess for myself, it would be due to field size. I only hay 5-10 acres at a time now and prefer a narrow front tractor on NH 256 roll bar rake or the like. Growing up, we would have 20-40 acres down often and almost always used a bigger, more comfortable tractor. All of our larger tractors were WF and you just had to have a good plan in tight areas. I see a lot of ones around doing 100+ acre fields and they need big equipment to get finished that requires more weight to pull it. |
Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 6:02am
| I got a Farmall Super C tractor that I brought about ten years ago at an estate auction. It had a 2 row cultivators on it when I brought it and I used it cultivating tobacco for a few years. I took the cultivators off when I quit raising tobacco and used it some for couple years raking hay with my New Holland 256 bar rake just to run the tractor. It been sitting for a few years now and I want to get it started up and running and used it some.. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 6:59am
| We used to rake with a JD 40 years ago. As far as loosing leaves......that statement always comes up, it makes sense, but really it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Typically, not always, the hay isn't so dry it pulverizes to dust the minute you touch it, therefore the tires rolling over it doesn't knock the leaves off, it it does, the tumbling and rolling of the raking process was going to knock those off anyway. We run our cut completely fanned out to have a prayer of drying it down, and we have no tractor with a tread width of 9 feet, so we're driving on it still. |
Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 10:15am
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TBH, a lot of those cheap tractors on TractorHouse are going to need a lot of work. I looked there when I was looking for my rake tractor. Everything was either too expensive or it was in pretty sorry shape. I ended up with a 1949 WD with a narrow front from a BigIron auction. I'd have preferred a WFE tractor, but that was what went cheap and was close enough to not cost an arm and a leg on shipping. For raking hay, I think that OP got a fine tractor. If it runs like it should, it should last him many years
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 10:56pm
| that farmall c is a nice little tractor to do alot work with theres no smaller tractors around here for sale and anything that will pickup a big bale is non existant , yes i pick up a copy of tractor house when i go to get fuel, none that stuff is local and probley somone elses problem |
Posted By: Travis2766
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 3:41pm
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Why a NFE tractor for raking hay? Yes it turns narrower but any twd tractor will turn tight enough to catch the rake tongue on the tires. If you got the haybine/discbine fanned out at all it’s impossible to not run your windrow over. Looks like a good way to loose leafs on the hay. We rake with 6080’s even my grandfather never used his NFE C after he got his brothers D12. I wasn’t looking for a narrow front, I wanted a wide but the price on this one was too good to pass it up. Like others have said when price is the factor you can’t just go and buy something off TractorHouse. I’m not one of the guys that farm hundreds of acres, there’s a lot of us that farm 40 acres or less and we have to mind the dollars even more, because there’s a lot less to go around. I would love to have a 6080 to rake hay with but to spend $15000 on a raking tractor is not an option. I cut hay with a sickle mower and a crimper behind, so everything gets ran over by the tires anyway. Do I loose some leaves? Sure, but I’m not looking to corner the market on the 500 bales I make every year, I do it because i enjoy it. If I was worried about losing money I sure wouldn’t be farming! ------------- 190XT Series III, D17 Series IV, D15 Series II, All Crop 66, Rotobaler. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 4:48pm
| Well— I guess everyone does things different. For small fields, I’ll feel pretty content on a WD-45 NF with factory PS using a roll bar rake. Smaller fields, odd shapes, I even prefer using a CA w/NF because the rear tire fits under most the hitch on the NH 256. I have raked with the 200 with 38” 18.4’s using a 256 rake w/front dolly wheels. Sometimes I even prefer a 185 with a rotor basket rake behind me when the fields are larger(although does not clean as well). Leaf loss is minimal, even a heavier tractor with narrow front if you plan for it. Alfalfa I rake when it still is limp after dew, grass- only when crispy. Enjoy what you have there, there will always be differences in opinion and a lot depends what each individual is doing. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 7:24pm
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Don't worry about it Travis, I cut, raked, and baled with NF Johnny Popper for 15 years. Livestock eat the good hay run over or not, over rip and weedy crap was junk and did not matter. Now 50 years ago the guy raking with IH 806 and the duels on I did wonder about. His tires where wider than his rake.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 8:11am
But with a WFE tractor your front tires run over the same hay as your rears a NFE runs over an entirely different chunk of windrow. ------------- 8030, 7060, six 6080’s grandpa’s D17, 8760, 8100, and 8970 Deere. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 9:24am
| We Ted ours out completely flat— what’s worse, two sets of tires with the WF over the same hay or several separate tires from the NF? Only advantage to the WF raking hay in my opinion is comfort. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 11:57am
Well, you’re not wrong there. Well, actually you kind of are, with the way things laid out with that little tractor one of the rears didn’t run on hay. And it weighed very little. And most of all, in my meaningless opinion, at the end of the day, big hairy deal. 
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