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B110 brief grinding noise

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Topic: B110 brief grinding noise
Posted By: dee_veloper
Subject: B110 brief grinding noise
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 12:25am
With the engine running and in neutral, when I engage the clutch there's a brief 2 second grinding noise.  After the clutch is fully engaged, the noise disappears.  When I change to other gears the same noise is there for the same amount of time.  It's caused by engaging the clutch.

With the engine off and the drive belt off and the transaxle in neutral,  the idler pulley and the transaxle pulley spin smooth, free and quiet.  I pushed and pulled on the shaft for the bevel gear box and there is no play.

I haven't figured out exactly where the noise is coming from.  There is the bevel gear box drive pulley as a possibility, but I haven't figured out a way to test it.

The tractor runs fine otherwise.  I can motor around and mow, it's just that brief grinding noise when I engage the clutch ....

Any tips on how to diagnose the source ?



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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 12:41pm

Pushing the Pedal part way slackens the drive belt for changing gears.

Pushing it farther engages the brake band around a brake drum.

This 'might' be your noise while the drum is still turning.

Disconnect the rod to the brake band and then try it.

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Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:21pm
Thanks, it was worth a try.  No luck . 

I disconnected the brake and it didn't make any difference.  As I thought about it, the tractor is in neutral, not moving and nothing inside the transaxle is moving  so the brake is not stopping or engaging any moving parts.

Best I can determine at this point is that the drive pulley on the transaxle is the problem.  Noise is directly created or stopped with its movement.

With the belt off, the pulley spins smooth and quiet.  There's only a little in/out play on the shaft.  There's no up/down - left/right play in the shaft.

That's what I have so far....


Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 11:32pm
Here's a short video of the problem.   Not sure if this will help or not but someone may recognize the noise.

This is looking down on the tractor with the seat pan up .  I am depressing the brake/clutch pedal and releasing it to reproduce the noise.

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Posted By: ACmowerguy
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 8:31pm
The pulley on the bevel gear box is a half of a pulley which the outer half slips on the inner half to prevent belt grab and wheelies.  There is a nylon washer and a nylon strip bearing. Sometimes this setup will make some noise and that is not unusual. Might be worth taking the washer off ( held on by two 1/4-20 screws) and inspect the condition of the nylon washer and strip bearing. 

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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 8:53pm
oh yes that noise brings back memories 


Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 3:12am
Originally posted by ACmowerguy ACmowerguy wrote:

The pulley on the bevel gear box is a half of a pulley which the outer half slips on the inner half to prevent belt grab and wheelies.  There is a nylon washer and a nylon strip bearing. Sometimes this setup will make some noise and that is not unusual. Might be worth taking the washer off ( held on by two 1/4-20 screws) and inspect the condition of the nylon washer and strip bearing. 


Late getting back to this.  I took a look at that pulley and found the plastic to be in great shape.  Not bad for a 50+ year old tractor. 

After putting it back together I noticed the noise was diminished.  Some weeks later now, I don't hear it anymore.   Not sure exactly what changed but I'll take the gift.

thanks for the tip.


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 12:25pm
I'd say you wore the rust off the pulley halves.



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