allis wc articulating tractor
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Topic: allis wc articulating tractor
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Subject: allis wc articulating tractor
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 8:30pm
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hi i just got a tractor that is not factory made, probably shop built. it has 2 WC rearends, one in front one in back, it has a 389 pontiac motor with 2 transfer cases. it articulates in the middle. my question is if anyone here has any info on it. i will be getting it home tommorow and can post pics, it was purchased in centrel minnesota and was told the guy made 6 of them, sometime early mid 1970's. it is painted allis orange. thanks jason |
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Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 8:35pm
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Can't wait to see pics of that, sounds interesting. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Darrell MN
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 8:36pm
| Just curious,Where in MN did you buy it? |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:06pm
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it has tin that is nicely shaped and tractor is not butchered up ,guy did a nice job. i bought it near st cloud ,mn. iam in need of 2 14.9-28 tires for it, if i can get some and mount them i want to take it to albany pioneer threshing show on the 17th and try to get more info on it thanks' jason |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:15pm
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Where in MN are you located? I'll be in Albany on Saturday the 18th. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:16pm
| iam near holdingford, about 10 miles from albany grounds. |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:18pm
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Heck, you could drive it there. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:20pm
| yes i could of if he would of sold it to me in the spring, now i need tires and get it running,motor is free so shoudent take much. |
Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:22pm
Is it like this one? I know NOTHING about this one, except it was at the Albert City Gathering of the Orange in August.  ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:24pm
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Looks like the rearends and the decals are the only WC parts left but it sure looks tough. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:29pm
| no it doesent look like that one, i will have pics tommorow night it was in shoulder high grass when i last looked at it, but frontend was more out front i thought, |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:40pm
I don't know that this one is articulating, but does it look like this???
 ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:44pm
| that one is closer, but not that much allis tin. pics will tell us more tommorow pm. this one pictured doesent look to articulate, or its rear steer |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:44pm
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That is cool looking, but it looks like it has 2-1/2 ton running gear, steerable axles. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:49pm
| as i look closer at the pic posted, those are either 2 1/2 or 1 1/2 ton gmc axles and frame from the military. i have used them in my mud trucks in the past. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 9:50pm
| lonnie u beat me to it, got distracted by tv program iam watching |
Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2010 at 11:06pm
| I like that first pic. Looks like u could do a loy with a late model 262 diesel. Greg, was it turboed? |
Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 6:40am
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I do not remember seeing a turbo on it. ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: R Aiken
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 9:14am
| There was one in the mid 70's at a JD dealer in Findley Ohio. It had 2 WC rears and a GMC V6. They said it would outpull a 4020. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 9:22am
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neat, when i post pics maybe it will look familier. iam not picking it up until thursday now
jason
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Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 12:20pm
301 Turbocharged, here is a pic of the other side.
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D-17_Dave wrote:Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 1:03pm
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I like the one that Greg and John show photos of in Albert City. What engine did it have and transmission? Any idea who built it?
Pastor Mike in Iowa |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 2:09pm
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I have plans (in my head) to build an articulating tractor out of left over parts. It will have two WC rear ends but stock height and powered by a 262 gas. (4W93) ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 2:49pm
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Does the WC in that last picture have a WD wide front end on it? ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 3:36pm
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Jeremy, yes that appears to be a WD or early 45, 3 bolt wide front.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 3:39pm
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Well that gives me some ideas ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 6:58pm
| There was a blacksmith in Montgomery City Mo that made one years ago. They sold it at his sale but I don't know where it went. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 7:14pm
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would you recognize it if you seen it? pics tommorow night |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm
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The suspense is killing me. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2010 at 9:10pm
| Me too. 40 chev, those big axles on that second pic don't seem to be top-loaders like the Rockwells, at least not that I can see. Someone posted that on here a while back. Speaking of mud trucks, I had a buddy with a 2 1/2 frame and running gear. The body had rotted off, so he took the body from the old Dodge station wagon he had in the weeds and grafted it on. Looked really wicked, especially with the tandems on there.(required a leetle fender trimming and sheet metal work to clear that.LOL!) Painted OD green, of course. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 7:21am
your right they are not toploaders like the rockwells, regular pinion style.
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Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 6:16pm
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i cant figure out how to post pics, ive checked FAQ, anybody help me out jason |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 9:22pm
| Go up in the top left corner and click on member control panel. Once you are on that page, up on the top further to the right is File Manager. Click on that. Under that you can browse your computer and upload the pictures. Make sure that the pictures are 1040 size wise or they won't load up as they are too big. I use Picasa on my computer and I just export them into another folder and shrink the size as they are exported and then pull them out of there onto the forum. Hope that helps. |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 10:28pm
| That is no 301.It may not be turbo'd,can't see enough to tell.It's a "Buda".The intake and energy cell clamps tell the story.Does the D19D intake pipe flow like that one? |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2010 at 10:31pm
| It's a 262 turbo diesel. The exhaust manifold and turbo drain line give it away. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2010 at 9:17am
| i cant figure out this pic thing, not very good on computer . anybody out there i can email this pics to and they can post them? |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2010 at 9:23am
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sure, email them to me charlie175@msn.com ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2010 at 4:18pm
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Here's what I do. First at the bottom of the page is the post reply button. Do not use the quick reply box. Then when it pulls up the window to make your message in, go to the top of that window and you will see a picture frame. Click on it and it will bring up a photo uploading window. There you can upload pictures from your computer by clicking the browse button, when you find the one you want select it and hit the upload button. You will then be given a notice that it will take a minute to upload your picture to the server(takes about 2 seconds). Then it is best to preview it to make sure the pics are not to big. If they are you can use several online programs or download the Photo Resize Magic. After you have inserted your text and are satisfied hit post reply and you are done.
Hope this helps. I want to see those pictures.
Jeremy ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 4:25pm
How 'bout a skidsteer variation? |
Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 4:36pm
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There were some tandem tractor setups done prior to the advent of the large 4WD units. I found some video of different models at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YK_rF1CB4&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YK_rF1CB4&feature=related
Something like this perhaps? ------------- |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 4:55pm
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I've seen pics of that Power House version before, would I ever love to have one of those. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 4:59pm
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Is the Power Horse custom built? If so they did a good job. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 5:10pm
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If I remember right a company in Nevada or Utah built them?? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:16pm
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Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:17pm
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Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:19pm
 hey i figured it out!!!!!!! |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:44pm
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That looks a lot like the first one pictured in this post. Looks like a real work horse. Are you going to make it to Albany this weekend? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:49pm
| ill be at albany sat and sunday after church, tractor wont be there, waiting on tires |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 7:55pm
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I think we are going on Sat. but not sure yet if we are bringing a tractor. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 8:04pm
40chevmudder, that looks like the real deal! |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 8:05pm
No, they were an actual manufacturer. Here's the link to the article I borrowed the picture from: http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2009/10/01/hmn_feature23.html - http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2009/10/01/hmn_feature23.html |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 8:08pm
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YES!!! There it is. Looks different but good. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 8:19pm
Wow! Your memory is working very well - a lot better than mine! The Power Horse was considered one of the first ''skid steer'' tractors. Albert Bonham of Salt Lake City, Utah, designed the original Eimco
Power Horse in the mid-1930s. They were only produced under the Eimco
Company brand name for a few years. They were then sold under the
Bonham name until the early '40s. The Power Horse tractor was built at
several different facilities in Utah. Parts for the Eimco and Bonham
units were purchased from Allis-Chalmers, including the hood,
transmission and their model B-125 engine. The Chalmers B-125 engine
had a 3-3/8-inch bore and a 3-1/2-inch stroke rated at 22.3hp at 1,400
RPM. The hood of the Power Horse closely resembled the Allis Chalmers B
and WC model tractors of the '30s. Allis-Chalmers showed some interest
in the design from their previous dealings with the Bonhams, and
eventually bought the patent and hired Albert Bonham in 1942 in the
hopes they could produce a more marketable Power Horse by war's end.
Allis-Chalmers built only one known prototype and never produced any of
the tractors under the A-C name. The Harris Manufacturing Company of
Stockton, California, obtained production rights and began marketing
the Power Horses in 1949. Production continued up into the early '60s. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 9:05pm
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I talked to this guy at the GOTO in Union Grove I believe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaiACmfpFnM&feature=fvw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaiACmfpFnM&feature=fvw It seemed strange to watch a guy start the engine, put it in gear, set the throttle and then climb up on the wagon and work the reins to make it go. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2010 at 9:11pm
The first time I saw that video, I thought it was someone's novelty rig - like the fella that put a make & break on a tractor frame. When I stumbled on the Hemmings article, that rig showed up again. Well huh - get grandpa from behind a pair of mules and behind a set of pistons. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 6:40am
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Looking at this, the engines are coupled, but they have exhaust on opposite sides? ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 9:34pm
| 389 Pontiac V-8. Was it governed I wonder? Did they make an industrial/power unit engine that had governors like Ford/Chrysler/other GMs? I supposed a governor could be adapted to almost any engine. Looks like it is a hoss. Really would have been in its' day i'm sure. Fun project. Keep us posted with progress pics. |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 12:06am
| I don't know but I once heard that the guys that first built the stieger tractors built them out of WC rear ends. they built them in there little shop & assembled them out side. Supposedly a guy from bigfork mn. set up the hyd & articulating for them. was told the guys name too but don't remember. |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 7:18am
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I'l bet this is gonna get a lot of visits when the pics are posted.
Bob@allisdowneast |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 7:27am
Well, do you have it running? |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 7:29am
| the 389 has a pully ran governer on a 2 barrel carb, my plan is to get the tires on it and intot he shop, i have 1 other project to finish before i start this one. |
Posted By: 40chevmudder
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2010 at 8:48pm
| ok guys any more info, ive got it into the shop and looking for some more info |