Electric Vehicles
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Topic: Electric Vehicles
Posted By: DanWi
Subject: Electric Vehicles
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 9:31pm
| Wondering how every would be doing with the current weather conditions in this country with electric vehicles? Extreme cold, power outages would the emergency vehicles and and utility trucks run out of power or would they need back up generators at their garages? Then we would need some kind of fuel for the generators? Gas? Diesel? LP? |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 9:59pm
| they are gonna get us...one way or another, prolly just not as bad as we are used to. are you willing to give up the easy life now to have to do some extra things that you don't do now? most are just gonna go whole hog and let others save the planet! |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 10:02pm
| Back up power would probably be solar. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 10:21pm
Would be working real good in TEXAS this week.. Drive you elect car to work, then drive home.. Brown out, no power at home.. cant charge the car.... Better hope you got a GAS GENERATOR !! or coal !  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 5:57am
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hahahahahha... looks good on some, the cold that is, I wonder when CA will mandate battery operated snowplows ?? Anyone know if Foridas citris crops are history yet ?? Have any of the GW/CC crowd said WHY this 'polar vortex' is so far south ?? Years ago(3 decades+) I cut code to do the math for solar and it wasn't even close to being viable. Interesting tidbit was the amount of daytime cloud cover Ontario gets in Winter. A 'minor' factor in solar2volts systems.....one the 'greenies' never seem to SEE ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 6:14am
| Liberal News service weather people have been pressing the CC Magic Button as to the Vortex Shift, seems to me is no different than any other winter weather phenomena an how Jet Streams shift due to Cold plains in Siberia or Saharan Dust Clouds being lofted higher than normal. Could be Volcanic activity can cause this as well and there are plenty of those spewing crap HIGH and WIDE. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 6:40am
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hmm.. didn't that famous Italian volcano come 'alive' few months ago ?? Wonder what the time lag is to get the 'dust' 1/2 way round the world is ?? odd thing I heard.. Banff,Alberta had an earthquake last week... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 6:56am
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On the standby generators, I'm waiting for someone to suggest they could run on electric...... |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 6:57am
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https://insideevs.com/news/465480/sweden-plugin-car-sales-december-2020/" rel="nofollow - https://insideevs.com/news/465480/sweden-plugin-car-sales-december-2020/
Pretty sure it gets cold in Sweden. Banff, Alberta, earthquake, yeah that is strange. Wonder how those huge mountains formed? Surely not one plate riding up on another.
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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 7:41am
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Jay I believe Florida has remained in the 60's and 70's. G ............................................. Video Little Rock, AR SNOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bspV8IOLCK4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bspV8IOLCK4 Galveston, TX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lStY0gjLfA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lStY0gjLfA |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 8:01am
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Friend in FL Panhandle was seeing temps in the mid forties this last weekend. Main body of state had temp advisories. Cold Vortex dropped all the way into Mexico. Sahara Dust: https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/plume-of-sahara-dust-caused-spike-in-european-air-pollution/" rel="nofollow - Plume of Sahara dust caused spike in European air pollution (nypost.com) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Volcanic+eruptions+Feb+2021&t=h_&iar=news&ia=news" rel="nofollow - Volcanic eruptions Feb 2021 at DuckDuckGo Been a Greater number of S Pacific and Central American eruptions too. Disrupts the Pacific Ocean flows for weather. Imagine that.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 1:37pm
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A MN Senate member (State) was just in committee hearing to speak on Governors plan for MN to be carbon free as Governor wants to adopt Calif CARB rules here . As she lives 150 miles from capital she pointed out the range of a electric vehicle would allow her to travel to meeting but not allow her to get home UNLESS she charged vehicle . Now if cold out range would be 40% of normal - and less if heater was used . So she figured from home to capital would be a 2 day trip one way and same back . So the new green SUCKS . A recent development now is GM / VOLVO is going to be putting out a FUEL CELL Class 8 truck within a year , no battery but Hydrogen fuel cell similar to the AC one built many years back . In the 1998 to 2003 period the company i worked with were building prototype fuel cells for GM , and that that time had prototype that could power a full size van with aprox 180 HP output yet be smaller than a medium size picnic cooler . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 1:41pm
| Panhandle of Flordia is cold but main part of Flordia like Orlando is New Samarna Beach are in the 80s today and have been in the upper 70s all week |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 1:44pm
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The real kicker with fuel cells is, where do you get the hydrogen? The dream is to get the hydrogen from water. The fuel cell reaction is hydrogen plus oxygen yields electrical energy, and water forms and comes out the tailpipe. Trouble is, the energy required to split the hydrogen from the water is equal to that you get out of the fuel cell. So you could have a tank of hydrogen in your vehicle, but overall, no net energy. If you split the hydrogen from something such as natural gas or propane, the bond isn't nearly as strong, so there's net energy. But, guess what the byproduct is....still water from the hydrogen and oxygen, but CO2 on the natural gas. Bummer. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 2:24pm
| And still have to have the CNG to start with. People have been sold a Empty bill of goods. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 3:16pm
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The real kicker with fuel cells is, where do you get the hydrogen? and how do you DISTRIBUTE it to 100 MILLION cars ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 4:00pm
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Hydrogen Fueling Stations in CA for cars - 5 years ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zd1OwrhmDI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zd1OwrhmDI |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 4:02pm
| And is produced from CNG, NOT any form of "Clean" Sourcing. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 4:11pm
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Here an Idiot Speaks. https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_production.html" rel="nofollow - Alternative Fuels Data Center: Hydrogen Production and Distribution (energy.gov) Know the H2 industry and suppliers well, they delivered 99% pure H2 to our power stations for use in cooling our generators. Consumption is more by leak losses than anywhere else as H2 CANNOT be 100% contained, can be detected outside ANY container it is held in as has a small enough atomic structure to defy encapsulation. H2 CANNOT be transferred by Pipeline, it generates ANY level of Friction produced electrostatic current at anywhere near to 94% purity and BOOM 4% in air produces a explosive level to 94% in air. NOT easily handle able. Drivers that delivered our supplies used pressure differential to offload, NO PUMPS ALLOWED, they also Grounded Truck Trailer, themselves and tooling to connect or disconnect. Very HAZARDOUS to handle material. Once in a storage tank cannot be allowed to remain in Unventilated spaces as DOES LEAK from ANY container.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 5:09pm
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42 hydrogen stations At present, the Californian Hydrogen Highway is comprised of 42 hydrogen stations with 15 in development, said Keith Malone, a spokesman for the California Fuel Cell Partnership, a public-private enterprise promoting hydrogen vehicles in California.Oct 23, 2020  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 5:14pm
MORE FREE CHEESE !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 5:22pm
| Supply and demand, No Demand NO Supply!! |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 8:24am
| Didn't hydrogen make the Hindenburg famous? |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 8:46am
| Yes it did. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 8:54am
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Read up: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f9/fcm06r0.pdf" rel="nofollow - Module 6: Fuel Cell Engine Safety (energy.gov) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28004584/hydrogen-station-fire-norway-safety/" rel="nofollow - A Hydrogen-Station Fire in Norway Doesn't Mean the Fuel Is Inherently Unsafe (caranddriver.com) https://www.osha.gov/green-jobs/hydrogen" rel="nofollow - Green Job Hazards - Hydrogen Fuel Cells | Occupational Safety and Health Administration (osha.gov)
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 8:59am
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Then go to all battery electrics, or hybrids: https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/13/ntsb-says-vehicle-battery-fires-pose-risks-to-1st-responders/" rel="nofollow - NTSB says electric vehicle battery fires pose risks to 1st responders (mercurynews.com) My Previous Employer has Hybrid Trouble Trucks both GM and Ford ton chassis. They are NOT allowing these parked beneath or inside shelters instead are parked out away from any structures so IF do catch fire can be extinguished adequately.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 10:03am
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When one looks at alternatives to present forms of energy there are advances and setbacks . Iceland already uses Hydrogen as a means of transport , but it seems the use of geo- thermal energy is also accepted as a means of heating buildings, making other forms of energy and is advanced in acceptance. Here we have politicians pushing half baked and unproven forms of snake oil solutions as they have fingers in the pie of PROFIT . One has to wonder when a politician tells you what you need and then is willing to sell it to you . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 10:43am
Nice to have some one post some factual posts. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
DMiller wrote:Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 11:42am
It made it a massive performer- it went from zero to 1200 degrees, in FIVE seconds!! With that kind of performance, Elon Musk could drive his Tesla to the moon, right???  ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 12:14pm
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Really, though, in the Hindenberg's defense, it was filled with Hydrogen, because the US would NOT sell our helium to Germany. Our derigibles (like the Akron) were all helium... and the history of helium discovery, production, use, and economics is fascinating... so much that a 9 million cubic foot 'natural gas well' in Kansas was of big excitement, until they realized that the 'natural gas' they found, simply wouldn't burn... Little did they know, that it'd be much more useful than if it were NG... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 9:02pm
If there's no power, WHY would a person need to "go to work" ?? Think about that for a moment
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 9:49pm
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Do you thing the ENTIRE STATE is out of power ???.............. THink about that for a minute..
power outage about 2 MILLION......... population about 29 MILLION.. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:56am
| about everyone needs to report to work even if they have no power, police, power co, fire/rescue, paper pushers, farmers, there is always something to do at where ever someone works, maybe a deeper cleaning that has been put off all year? i could fill this page with examples. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 2:17pm
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Yep Shameless....LOTS of tasks to do! BUT,,,,,,,,losing power in a """snowstorm""" is something else. Can Texas sue you? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:57pm
You and yours are sure making it sound like it
!! By your thinking/reasoning, IF they get to their workplace that HAS power, they can probably plug in an electric buggy !! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 6:14pm
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POOR IGNORANT PESSER... It FLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD........ DIDNT IT !!! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:51am
| In one ear and out the other side UNRESTRICTED!! |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 7:15am
If there is no power, people still need to eat and if your in that business you still go to work, power or not. Think about that for a moment ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 7:24am
Speaking of geo-thermal energy, I happen to have some of those geo-thermal cattle waters and I can vouch that when the wind blows and it's -20 degrees it takes a propane torch to get the cattle watered. Not sure what green energy would thaw the lines and valves? ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:06am
| Iceland has thermal vents from volcanic subsurface heating, not the same as the ground source cattle waterer ice controls. Takes a deep hole to ground source a waterer from freezing over, even lakes with Deep sections will freeze over. |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:39pm
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Winds the issue, the insulation in the waterer will limit much ice, so long as the cattle keep fresh water in them. That little orifice that's at the valve freezes pretty quick if any wind pushes in through the balls on top of the water level. That's the only place they ever freeze, well unless the cattle knock the cover off. I will say that I have one that never has a problem, it's open and the valve sticks through the bottom of the tank, show up if really cold break ice and drive off, never a need to thaw valve. Richie and Mirafounts need melted into something useful when you start getting 35-40 below wind chills. Sorry I think I'm a little off topic The Flintstones didn't need electricity or gas for their cars.  ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 3:06pm
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Friend of mine in Houston initially 'loved' her Tesla... after about 6 months, the battery had lost a considerable amount of capacity. Replaced battery... drove it another year and a half, same situation. Recently sold, and bought new Tesla... and this most recent storm and outage cycle left it discharged and frozen. New battery (again). Here's a nice display of what the system 'reports': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTnQ7k0PtOE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTnQ7k0PtOE Best not to consider driving one across Iowa between November and April. I'd be rather chilly, but I'd trust my Goldwing more... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 3:52pm
LMAO!!! You "forum jumpers" really need to get a grip
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:05pm
Well
 . in the past 3 weeks "here", I've been seeing 4-6 more TESLA vehicles on my way to work in the mornings than I have in the last 5 months !!! On a "censored"(deleted) post the other week, a guy (might have been you) said in the cold a battery vehicle could "only" get 300 MPC, that's 30 gallons worth of fossil fuel in my Ford gasser, how many $$ were spent "refining" those 30 gallons, and WHAT is the environmental impact of burning 30 gallons of gasoline ????? You guys can NOT tell me that solar/wind generation is more $$/mile   ??? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:06pm
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Goldwing, I'd wager they're made in China by now !!
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:31pm
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re: Recently sold, and bought new Tesla. Gee Dave, she must have been very,very happy with it, to have bought another Tesla... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:47pm
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Freegas is one of the Libs that believes the Food comes FROM the Grocer, will always have enough, that is obvious of the posts. No Clue takes PEOPLE behind the scenes to Move materials, gas, oil, pallets of grocer supplies, any and everything, ALL NEED to go to work regardless the power at home.
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