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175 Brakes Educate me...

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Topic: 175 Brakes Educate me...
Posted By: TomYaz
Subject: 175 Brakes Educate me...
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 6:41am
So I got the final drive off the frozen side....Looking at the brakes...
Being a WD45/D17 owner I can understand the break bands...but it appears there is a disk brake component too?  How does that all work???  Also what tool would one use to remove the break band pin??

Thanks

Tom


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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:09am
The disc has balls with ramps inside. When the band tries to stop disc, it causes disc to expand, applying brake pressure on both band and disc.        MACK


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:17am
Top band pin is (in your case) probably removed with a torch. Bottom pin stays installed.


Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:23am
Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Top band pin is (in your case) probably removed with a torch. Bottom pin stays installed.


Ugg...before I resort to that looks like the end of the pin has a groove for a tool to be attached for pulling...what kind of tool would that be?


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If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:26am
Two screwdrivers. If it was anti-seized, it will come right out.


Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:29am
Ok....its rusted up good....but I got a lot of time and pb blaster

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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:33am
There was a guy that made a tool to remove the WD45 pins but I don’t know if these are similar. Can’t remember if he was on this site or not but it was an expensive tool. 


Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:41am
Originally posted by Ed (Ont) Ed (Ont) wrote:

There was a guy that made a tool to remove the WD45 pins but I don’t know if these are similar. Can’t remember if he was on this site or not but it was an expensive tool. 

Its similar in that it has a groove IIRC, but smaller dia.


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If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:53am
And it isn't exposed, it's down inside a recess.


Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:33am
I have used a small cutoff wheel to remove the shoes from the top pin.  After that, I get the heat and penetrating oil out.  If it really has problems moving, I have cut the pin in half and dealt with one half at a time.
It is a combination brake system.  The shoes do not stop the tractor directly.  They close against the disc.  The disc will expand to put pressure on the bearing carrier and the friction plate on the axle, making the tractor stop.  Definitely take the dick apart to check the balls inside.  If they are worn, the assembly will not work properly.  Once everything goes back together, you will need to use a feeler gauge to check the clearance between the disc and friction plate.  The specs are outlined in the service manual.


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Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 12:40pm
I made tool that clamps onto the head of the pin. A small slide hammer is then used to pull the pin.

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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by DSeries4 DSeries4 wrote:

I have used a small cutoff wheel to remove the shoes from the top pin.  After that, I get the heat and penetrating oil out.  If it really has problems moving, I have cut the pin in half and dealt with one half at a time.
It is a combination brake system.  The shoes do not stop the tractor directly.  They close against the disc.  The disc will expand to put pressure on the bearing carrier and the friction plate on the axle, making the tractor stop.  Definitely take the dick apart to check the balls inside.  If they are worn, the assembly will not work properly.  Once everything goes back together, you will need to use a feeler gauge to check the clearance between the disc and friction plate.  The specs are outlined in the service manual.


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