D-17D advice wanted
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Topic: D-17D advice wanted
Posted By: Denis in MI
Subject: D-17D advice wanted
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 12:18pm
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I have a 1959 D-17 Diesel that blew the head gasket on number 3 and the previous owner waited to long to fix and the engine is siezed from coolant sitting in the cylinder, my options are, spend lots of time and money rebuilding the engine, spend lots of money on a running engine to swap in or spend even more time and money swapping in a different engine. I have no idea what shape the injection system or any of the other engine parts are in. I have not got into it that far yet.
All I here about D262 engines is bad. Are they really as bad as people say or will they hold up under use. I plan to put this tractor to work after a complete refurbishing. I guess I just want to hear if the buda engines are as bad as they sound or if they can be made reliable. If I swap in a different engine it will be a diesel but I have no Idea what to use or how much Horse power a D-17 trans and rear end will hold up to. I would really like to install a D-19 Diesel engine complete with turbo but don't know if it would hold together any better than the naturally aspirated engine
Any advice or ideas are appreciated ,
Thanks, Denis
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1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 1:02pm
If you put a turbo on your engine, you would have the same thing as a D19. It sounds like you need to investigate a little more to find out what all would be needed for a rebuild on yours and compare to what it would cost to by a rebuilt engine to put in.
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 1:08pm
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Sell the tractor to Don CHEAP.....LOL
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 1:11pm
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The D-19 engine had some minor differences I believe like water pump on the block and a little different cylinder head internally. I figured that to rebuild mine I am looking at 2000 assuming no machine shop work.
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1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 1:16pm
They did, different CAM as well. Also the D19 engine would have a spin on oil filter, where a '59 17 will be the old cartridge style.
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 1:18pm
My engine has the spin on oil and two cartridge fuel filters can that be right or has it been swapped before.
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1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 2:11pm
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According to the parts books, the cartridge style was used prior to engine number 119938, engine number 119939 on up used the spin on.
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 3:09pm
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If you do a full overhaul on it I would bet you'll have over $4000.00 dollars in it. With valve grind, crank turned, and new clutch. Just finished are D19D for about $4300.00. Are injector tips where good , so that saved us about $240.00 dollars. Just my two cents
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Posted By: ac45
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 3:14pm
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Not sure if it would fit and it would take work but i always thought it would be neat to take a 433 from an F2 gleaner and put in a d17 or d17 diesel, probbaly wouldn't have room for the turbo, but even without turbo u should have a good 60Hp with the pump turned down and set right.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 7:44pm
I'm in the middle of overhauling a 58 D17D. The comment about having $4K in it is pretty close to what I have so far. I would say have closer to $5K available to build one. From what I have done/seen so far is the Buda engine is probably a good engine if it is properly maintained, especially the cooling system. The counter bores that the sleeves set in erodes away if the coolant is neglected. My original block had rust issues to the point that the counterbores needed sleeved. It also had cracks around 10 head bolt holes. When the counter bores erode, the sleeves drop and the head gasket starts to leak. Instead of trying to repair my original block, I found a 262 gas block from a combine. Somebody took care of the coolant because there is no rust in the water jackets. Even though it was in very good condition, it still had to have the counter bores re cut.
It's not so much that the parts are crazy high priced, it's the machine work required to fix one correctly. Talk to Bill at Sandy Lake Imp. Not long ago he had a complete running D262 from an early D17 that he described to me as a very good runner. He told me $2800 + shipping back then.
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Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:41pm
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If you fix your engine, or replace it with a like engine, you will be pleased with the results. I love the way my 262D runs and works.
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Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:55am
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Denis. If you really want a D17 diesel you can make the investment and be alright. If you think in a few years you are gonna sell it for what you have in it after a $5000 rebuild. Stop now.
Yes the 262 can be built to be reliable but it takes many dollars. I would feel better buying one that you know needs work and fix it to your own satisfaction.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:19am
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I own a D19 diesel and $3,000 to $5,000 is about right depending on what you find when you get in the motor. Since you want a working tractor my suggestion is to sell the D17 you have and spend $4000 to $5000 on a Series IV D17 gas tractor. The D17 is a great tractor, my favorite as a matter of fact, the series IV is the best of the best. There is no significant advantage to the diesel over the gas. The 226 4 cylinder gas engine has a bit more hp, starts better in cold weather, is more reliable and cheaper to maintain and repair.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:26am
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I forgot to add that the D17 rear end would probably not stand up to the D19 turbocharged motor very well for plowing or other heavy work.
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Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 11:52am
I have no intentions of ever selling this tractor and I want it to be a diesel because it is a pain to run to town to get gas when their is a tank full of diesel fuel in the barn
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1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:15pm
Fix it. $5000 is a small price to pay for a 50-60hp tractor. Price a new one.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
1968 one-seventy
1956 F40 Ferguson
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 4:01pm
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Dennis I have had a series 4 over 25 years. I had it overhauled 2 years ago when the head gasket blew at the rear of the engine. Up to that time I had only put a set of brakes on it. I am the 2 nd owner, got it off R&R equiptment in Indianola Ia. Allen had sold it to his dad new in 1968. It was turning out 70 hp when I got it. It still does 70hp. I have used this for plowing , big baling, putting on NH3, everything around the farm. I have found it to be a very reliable tractor.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 4:32pm
I'm with ac45 in thinking that a 433 would be a nice swap into a D-17. The 615 industrial tractor which is really a D-15 used the 200 cu.in. diesel the same as the HD-4 dozer. It is the same block as the 433 so it can and has been done. Should be easier in a D-17 because of the extra room.
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