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Allis Chalmers 3500 60kw Generator

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Topic: Allis Chalmers 3500 60kw Generator
Posted By: wwhite
Subject: Allis Chalmers 3500 60kw Generator
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 9:11am
I'm trying to help an older friend of mine who owns one of these generators. The problem is it will start up fine, runs for 30 seconds and then dies. No lights on the panel will light up identifying the reason (all lights illuminate when testing). It will start right back up but does the same thing.
Any ideas? Thanks.



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Posted By: Andy E
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 7:38am
I had that problem. Turned out to be the shut off valve. Disconnect the hose and see if you get good flow to the carburetor.    


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 2:52pm
Aside from basic problems, most sets that vintage and caliber have a safety loop... a circuit intended specifically to shut the machine down in the event of some basic failure, which usually includes:

1) Engine coolant Overtemp
2) Engine oil pressure loss
3) Engine overspeed (sometimes mechanical governor switch, a centrifugal switch on the generator end, a frequency sensor on the generator, a flywheel proximity sensor, an output on an electronic governor, etc)
4) Low oil in oilpan
5) Low coolant in reservoir
6) generator overtemp switch

There could be many others.

These switching devices are always 'fail safe'...meaning,they have be 'maintained closed' by proper operating circumstance, and return to a 'normally open' circuit condition when the failure occurs.  In some cases, this is done using contacts of a protection relay.

In order for a generator to start,however, the safety loop must be bypassed for long enough to get the machine running and into a 'normal' state.  This is usually accomplished by a simple timer relay that activates when the machine is started up... And once it's running, normal conditions result in the safety loop being closed, so it can then take over after the timer drops out.

I would study the machine carefully, and find out what the control system has in it, specifically, what device controls the fuel cutoff relay, and also check all the fluid levels, gauges, etc., for hints. IF you hear a relay CLICK just before it shuts down (and I realize that when the 3500 is running, that's like listening to a mouse whisper at a rock concert...) then it's probably either the timer, or a control relay SHUTTING it down.

BTW... is your 3500 still diesel, or was it set up for spark-ignition NG/Propane?


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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 7:17pm
Sure sounds like a Murphy Switch is overriding something,, all electric and electrical sending units , test light time



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