D19 Diesel HP
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Topic: D19 Diesel HP
Posted By: PA185
Subject: D19 Diesel HP
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 3:35am
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I’ve heard some tales over the years about some D19 Diesels that were turned up well over 100hp. so basically I have a 2 part question here. What is the most HP you have seen or heard about with the factory pump/turbo? Has anyone heard about any set ups using a beefed up pump and bigger turbo? So let’s talk numbers. What have you seen or heard? PS: save the lecture about the bad mechanical stories and what can go wrong. I’m well aware of Budas and their potential problems with longevity. This is just to bring to light the true possibilities of the 262D. I’m just curious, thanks!! |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 7:18am
| 110 PTO HP and the head gasket doesn't last very long at all. From experience. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 7:34am
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Dr. was this an agco gasket w/rings or a custom setup of yours? I just put our 19 engine back together its in primer right now. We got the parts from Norm several years ago, the headgasket was a 1 piece job and Don B recommended the agco gasket with separate fire rings. I got some fire rings from Mack, and we got a different block. the protrusion is right on so hopefully we will never have to touch it again. It will get used but not real hard. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 8:36am
| This was 40 yrs ago and a stock ALLIS-CHALMERS head gasket on an engine with some hours on it. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 12:10pm
| Terry Wood had a good setup but he was an AC engineer, 110 sounds good for the engine,they just can't handle the abuse |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 12:16pm
| I never knew Terry Wood ever pulled a D-19/D-262 engine. I've seen him pull a 190 XT several times many years ago. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:33pm
| I got a magazine 5hat has him on a D 19 blowing smoke, don't know if is the right engine in it a 301 would be so much easier to work with |
Posted By: 180Puller
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 6:11pm
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Back in 1971 the late Henry Moody from Iola,KS had a pretty warm D-19 AC puller..It had pump work, bigger turbo,24.5x32's-etc..Knowing what he pulled against in the 7000 lb class it had to be in the 125-150 horsepower range..Needless to say it didnt stay together very good and the next year he pulled a Mod tractor.....There was a 6 mph speed limit back then and he could run it with the D-19. Also back in the early 1970's there were (4) D-17 AC diesel pullers in my area that pulled the 5500 lb class....They were from Iola,KS,Bronson,KS,Rich Hill,MO,and Golden City,MO...They all had to be in the 100 horsepower range as they were competitive..
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 7:54pm
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 1:07pm
Circa 1972......... D262 copper head gasket - oring 'd sleeves 35 mm 4 roller pump Switzer then staged turbos - lots of smoke 7th gear in 5000# 6th gear in 7000 HP ? maybe 200 ? 250 ? Never burnt piston - indirect injection. More fuel never increased hp when we went from 4 roller 31 mm (220 Pump size) ... Zipper Special was named so with reason.... Oh, and used D19 PD clutch to start... in 5 years replaced final drive, trans, torque hsg gears, crank cam... and on and on but it was fun... ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 5:34pm
| Now we're talkin !!! Look at the lug depth on those tires !!! That is one of the reasons todays pullers don't have much (if any) rear end issues. The sleds start easier and the tires have a much shorter lug so you can spin them faster, making the driveline last longer. I like the " more fuel never increased the HP" line...……… They say todays very best Super Stock 3 or 4 turbo diesels make between 3500 and 4000 HP at 270 to 300 psi of boost. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 6:09pm
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.....and splitting the cylinder blocks in half.... it is out of hand. The fans in the stands can't tell the difference between 'road gear' and 20-30% over. The sleds turn the "pull" into an inertia challenge. So many classes, so many rules - MPH classes.... fun factor gone on the local level. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 6:32pm
| Agreed. These SSDiesel tractors I am talking about are turning the rear tires in excess of 90 MPH coming down the track, but they really aren't moving the sled much faster than they did 30 years ago, so the "show" looks about the same to the average person sitting in the grandstands. Only the real gear-heads know the difference. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 9:47am
They allow billet blocks with four main caps and yet they have blown them on the dyno I know for sure. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
tbran wrote:Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 11:17am
Pics of Terry Wood on a D19 maybe a diesel, sure looks like a turbo by the exhaust, and a couple on his XT
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 11:25am
Gggrrrr try again
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 11:28am
Another
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 6:35pm
Was the hand clutch power director stock??? ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 9:23pm
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Yes. Used the slotted plates for low and the solid center for high. We bent the metal on the tie bars that dip in the oil so as to sling oil into the plates.. must have helped. Keep in mind, we had nowhere near the hp tractors are making today . Once Eddie was driving at Union City Tn when the manifold turned red, the exhaust we had enlarged to take a bigger turbo let the bolts pop and the turbo blew the hood off and the sled ran over it all. The hood was as flat as a pancake, and well meaning people were handing him hot parts as they pulled him off the track.. He was covered with black oil. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 5:38pm
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Wow, thanks. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2020 at 8:01pm
| Wow!! Now that is interesting and some fun facts. Tractor puller guys have to be some of the most ingenious people ever! 😀 |