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Topic: D 15 engine removal
Posted By: ACinSC
Subject: D 15 engine removal
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 3:20pm
Trying to pull the gas engine out of my Series 1 D 15 . I'm at the roll shift axle removal part . Is it the same as Dr Allis said for the D 17 ? Never done this before and I wanna do if safely . Thanks !!



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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 4:00pm
I have the four 15/16 bolts facing the front and the four 1+1/8 bolts facing the rear broken loose . Had to use my 4' cheater to do this . Next is putting a jack under the bellhousing ? Thanks !


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 4:38pm
I wedged 4by4 blocks at the tierod ends to keep the front wheels from going cockeyed twisty and causing a potential nightmare.....
the big trick is to use solid wooden blocking for supports and to be very careful.
sure helps to have an extra pair of hands and eyeballs on the job too !


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 6:13pm
Thanks Jay . Favorite son is coming tomorrow . We should be able to get it done .


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 11:02am


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 11:47am
Fav son posted a pic for me . Dunno why it's kinda fuzzy . Got the front end rolled out of the way fairly easy . Thanks to Dr Allis . Also wedged a couple short 2 by 4's on top of the axle under the nose/chin center piece . Thanks Jay .


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 1:09pm
Where do you fellas attach a chain to the engine to pull it ? Last engine I pulled was a Chevy small block and we used the intake manifold bolts , I think . Would these 3/8" valve cover studs will work ? Thanks !! 


Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 1:32pm
I've pulled a few by the valve cover.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 2:52pm
Thanks Don . Can't imagine this little 4 cyl engine is too heavy . 


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 9:54am


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 9:55am


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 11:36am
I see my fav son has posted more pics . Pulled the engine this morn . Next I need to inspect the clutch . Gotta be a greasy/oily mess , everything else is . Thanks for looking 


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 5:37pm
For a clutch job, one normally splits the tractor at the bellhousing and leaves the engine bolted to the side frames and leaves radiator and power steering lines and front support still installed..


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 6:53pm
Wanted to pull engine as I have a bad oil leak at the rear of the motor . Gonna put it on my engine stand and flip it over and replace rear main seal and oil pan gasket and anything else suspect . Guess it all comes out in the wash .Be nice but don't have power steering .  Thanks Dr Allis 


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 6:59pm


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:00pm


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 6:00am
Surprised my clutch worked as well as it did. Fiber disc is gone . Metal to metal . Thanks for looking


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 6:08am
At least YOU didn't find the mother of all 'Mouse house' when you split it !!!! Troy's bellhousing was so jammed full, it took me 2 HOURS to get most of the 'stuff' out..clutch was history, stater,once cleaned actually kibda wanted to spin, a bit, sortof....
You should install a new 'pilot' bearing..... more to the 'list'.... lol

Jay


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 6:25am
The correct clutch disc for a D-15 isn't fiber lining, but what you have....4 metallic buttons.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 8:55am
Yeah Jay , a new pilot bearing is on my list . Yeah Dr Allis , my disc has the 4 buttons . Just shows how much I don't know . I was going by the pic in my DJ's catalog . I've been in contact with Rick . Maybe he can keep me straight ? Thanks !


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 3:51pm
Anyone pulled a D 15 release bearing lately ? Looks like you pull the vertical shaft clip and the shaft pushes out of the way ? Mine's a greasy mess , gonna let it soak overnite .  Thanks !


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 3:56pm
yeesh been too long ago tore member that BUT I do KNOW that it HAS to be on the clutch side of a cast iron peg on the driver's side of the bellhousing otherwise YOU get to split the tractor, again, to put it on the correct side of that cast iron peg...

it also took me HOURS to get rid of the mouse house....


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 6:23pm
Sure don't want to hafta do this over Jay . I'm taking it slow and trying to take lots of pics . Thanks


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 12:33pm
Had my flywheel turned this morn . Guy pointed out 3 evenly spaced  ring gear wear spots . Said he'd seen that before . Maybe because the engine usually stops in the same 3 places ? I dunno . Fav son should post a pic soon . Thanks !


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 12:40pm
You can warm the ring gear up and slip it midway between wear spots if you're cheap VS replacing it.


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 1:44pm


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 2:03pm
Thanks , Steve . I am kinda cheap .


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 3:07pm
gee that's purdy !
mark where ringgear is now, remove, install maybe 60* off ?
4 cylinder engines always stop 1 of 2 places, so I've been told.
new ringgear from Agco,decade ago was $100 Cdn... made in India.
you're not cheap, you're frugal, heck I give all my Dutchies a bad name as I'm frugaller than ALL of them combined !!


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 3:09pm
Loosened bolt that holds clutch fork together and spread it apart enough to twist the shifter tube and remove it and the release bearing . Have the release bearing knocked off the tube also . Making progress . Thanks


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 8:30pm
take lots of pictures ! That way you'll have pictures to look at when you do it to #2 and #3 a few years from now.....Wink


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 9:15pm
And those pictures will help get #1 back together properly!!

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WC, CA, D14, WD45


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 3:48am
Thanks Jay and Dave . I'm trying to take a couple pics of everything . Cell phone is a pretty good helper .


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 5:42am
pix are great just be SURE to copy/backup  to a PC or flashdrive.
Wife's iphone recently had swimming leasons in the white, round swimmin hole...PU !


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 6:09am
That ain't good Jay .


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:41am
Have my engine upside down on the engine stand . Sure makes it easy to pull the oil pan . Rear main seal is very hard . Probably why it was leaking at high rpm . Anyone know where I can get a speedi sleeve for the crankshaft ? Thanks


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:08am


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:23am


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:24am


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:43am
wow that's a pretty oil pan. When you find the sleeve, you can 'practise' on 'Troy' here...lol.
I just add oil 'as required'...too many minor leaks for me to worry about,specially since there's a LOT less seat time now.


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 8:06am
Thanks Jay but I dunno . I'm hoping this will be my last "big" tractor job. Oil pan was off when I got this tractor so I hit it with a little primer before putting it back on . Crankshaft looks ok to me but if I can get a speedi sleeve I'd sure use it . Thanks for looking


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 8:20am
My book says to apply a little lubriplate to the new rear main seal . Should I get some or will wheel bearing grease do ? Thanks


Posted By: Rusty Allis
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:31am
I have always been a fan of lubricating seals with whatever fluid they run in. whenever a mfgr suggests something else I have to think it's due to assembly time and they don't want a dry start. whatever you use, make sure it will melt fast once the oil hits it. I would be inclined to use assembly lube mixed with oil


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:52am
Makes sense , Thanks Rusty Allis .


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 2:58pm
Now that I have things kinda cleaned up I see the trans engine clutch shaft seals are leaking . Anyone changed them lately ? Looks like you remove these 4 bolts and pull cover to get to them ? Thanks !!


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:18pm


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:19pm


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:22pm
i 'think' there's a felt seal behind though be sure to drain tranny first.....

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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 4:08pm
Yeah Jay according to the agco site there's 2 seals back there . Guess I'll find out . Thanks


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 12:51pm
Have it apart and the seals out . Two seals 211111 C/R . Gotta add 2 seals and a gasket to my evergrowing list . Thanks 


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 5:01pm


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 5:03pm


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 2:53pm
Does the oil pump intake screen have steel wool looking stuff inside it like the oil bath air filter ? Sure hope that's what it is . Thanks !


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 10:28am
Another question . Anyone familiar with the tube that runs from the base of the oil filter to the oil pump cover on the back of the engine ? Mine's leaking . Has what's left of rubber packing grommets in the connection . Guy at NAPA had never seen one . Hoping Sandy Lake has some . Thanks !! Now that I've cleaned them some I see Imperial Flex on the cap .


Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 10:55am


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 10:59am
My fav son has posted a pic . 


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 1:21pm
Those grommets come in various sizes. My 8070 has them on various lines. Should be available from AGCO.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 1:38pm
Thanks Steve . Sandy lake has them .


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 4:04pm
Wonder what happened to the other pics on this post ? Thanks !!


Posted By: GSTROM99
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 2:31pm
Yeah, I was reading thru this now and some pics are gone.  Maybe they were "linked" and now the link is dead...


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 2:54pm
Dunno why Gary but they've been gone . Sorry 



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