D 15 lift latch
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Topic: D 15 lift latch
Posted By: ACinSC
Subject: D 15 lift latch
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 2:21pm
| Anyone know if the top twisted rivet hole goes all the way thru ? One of mine's broken off flush . I was thinking if I can get the other side out maybe I can drive the broken one out ?THANKS !! |
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Posted By: den/southern illinoi
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 2:45pm
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No, they do not go all the way thru and they are hardened metal. I've had mixed results on drilling. Den ------------- Own 5 720 garden tractors with associated equipment,1 620 garden tractor, 4 wheel 20 2-5015, 5020 and associated equipment and 2 electric forklifts. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 2:50pm
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I've wondered if anyone made/makes a repro unit ? Somehow I've misplaced a pair of them but have an extra D-14 aircleaner assembly... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 3:53pm
| Thanks Den and Jay . Plan was to remove this lift latch and see what I could see . Can't budge this 3/4" square head bolt . Gonna see if my Kroil will creep up on it tonight and try again tomorrow . Plan B . |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 7:24pm
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I have a few different styles lift latches available, for the tractors larger than the CA/D10/12. I think I even have one pair of NOS ones like used on the D19/190. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 5:25am
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You'll need to get the nut backed off first...THEN the bolt will come out. I had to heat it up with a propane torch on one of the D-14s. Once off, wire brush them real good, cost with neversieze, then they'll easily go on and off, years later.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 6:20am
| Yeah Jay I have the lock nut loose . Heat may be the answer . Gotta wonder why they used a bolt with a square head ? Thanks |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 7:09am
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square headed bolts were easy to make a 'zillion' years ago...also stronger than a 6,8 or 12 pointed bolt as theres' more metal ( surface) for the wrench to grip onto . try a good pair of vise grips , on TIGHT, whack with hammer,then 'tighten' a bit, repeat... you need to break the 'rust weld', so off,on,off,on a few times. If you try to just remove, the rust builds up in the threads and binds it all up, snap.......oopsy...grrrrrrr ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 7:58am
| Happy to say this bolt turned a little this morn . I hit it with some more Kroil and I'll try to remove it later . Thanks Jay . Paul , my lift latch has #326532 on it . Have any of those ? Thanks again ! |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 10:28am
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A picture of yours would be easier to match it. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 10:57am
| Sadly I've never been able to figure out how to post any pics . I did order a rebuild kit for mine . Maybe I'll get lucky . Thanks |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 11:17am
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I believe that is a set screw, and most set screws have square head. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 12:49pm
| Could be a set screw Dusty . Whatever it is it's not very cooperative . I got it moving but not out yet . Thanks |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 6:59am
| Finally got my lift latch off . Big set screw had exposed threads I couldn't see that were very rusty . Also managed to remove one twisted rivet . Other is broken off flush . Anyone ever had any luck with an ease out ? Have it in my vise with kroil on it . Thanks ! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 7:08am
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well I'm happy you got it off !!! 50-60 years of rust probably didn't help.....hehehe. some heat up the hardened pin then drill them out.... One of mine ,PO, drilled them out, made through holes, tapped and put some kind of socket head cap screw in.Looks Ok and EASY to get springs on. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 7:28am
| Yeah Jay I'm happy it's off . I'm thinking this hardened steel rivet is going to be hard to drill a hole in . Don't wanna make a mess out of it . BTDT Thanks ! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 7:56am
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AC in SC, I have a pair of lift latches on the work bench in the vast warehouse that has three of the rivets broken off. I tried to drill one with no success. I do have another plan and it will not be for the timid and or weak of heart. Today would be a good day to try it. Its rainy and cool. You may have given me the challenge. If I try to remove them I will take some pictures. I have know idea why I like to get these working? I have a couple sets of them around and only the plows are SC. Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 9:14am
| Sounds good Chris . What went wrong with drilling them out ? Beginning to think I need to take mine to the machine shop . Thanks ! |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 10:16am
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Those "twist rivets" are drive screws and are made of a very hard steel. I've got some out by welding a small flat washer to the broken off screw through the hole in the washer, then weld a nut onto the washer the same way. Let it cool off and you can get the drive screw out by putting a wrench on the nut and carefully start wiggling it back and forth until you feel some movement. Tthen you can usually screw it back out. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 10:36am
| Thanks Phil ! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 8:30pm
As mentioned they are hard and the drill just started to run off into the casting. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
ACinSC wrote:Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 6:28am
| Thanks Chris . Good to know . |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 6:32am
That is the number for the 'Cast" cover of the lift latch. There are 5 different styles that will fit on the WD & up tractors. The same "cast" cover was used all but the first type. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 9:36am
| Didn't know that . You wouldn't have a good cover for sale would you ? We have one with the ear/hook broken off . Maybe I could fix it . That's if I can find it . Thanks Paul ! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 6:42am
| Found our broken lift latch and it's beyond repair . Dunno why we still have it ? Plan to take my good latch somewhere soon and see about removing the broken twisted rivet . Thanks ! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 4:07pm
| Got my brother to weld on nut on this broken off rivet . Thought I had it moving but the nut twisted off . Anyone ever try a left hand drill bit ? Thanks ! |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 8:15am
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AC, I feel your pain, those rivets are tricky to remove. I have a nice pair of the heavy duty ones I'm trying to refurb. Tried welding the washer/nut, no go. Finally drilled one out, may have had to use a carbide bit, don't remember. I decided to drill and tap and use a button head cap screw in place of the rivet. Need someone to help with the assembly though. Thankfully I don't need them for a tractor, just trying to make them useful again. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 8:20am
| Thanks Mike . May have to resort to drilling and tapping and use a button head screw . Think Jay mentioned that . Today I'm going to try an ease out . Hopefully the heat from welding loosened it . |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 8:20am
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hmm... I'm wondering if, with two people, you could hold an arc welding rod on the rivet, then have helper turn on/off the welder ? My theroy is the current will heat up the rivet, it loses its hardness and might actually come out ? Anotehr option would be to use an autobody 'stud gun'. Weld the stud onto the rievt then 'yank' the rivet out with puller > Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 11:16am
| Good things to try . Thanks Jay |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 11:50am
I would think that would rather hard on the switch switching it under load. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 11:55am
| Lift latch repair kit $28 . The joy of trying to remove a broken twist rivet , Priceless . Happy to say I finally have my lift latch back on the old D 15 . Wound up drilling a 7/32" hole and driving new rivet with new spring in . Better than a too short spring held together with wire . Thanks ! |
Posted By: D14JIM14
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 1:27pm
| If you weld a washer and nut on melt candles on it while real hot . The rock back and forth bvb easy . That's how I got mine out of my D17 . Candle wax is great stuff. Got the idea from this forum . |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 1:38pm
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Hay dusty... I'm thinking 40 amps would be fine, so maybe 4-10 on the primary. Shouldn't be a big deal... Kinda gives me an excuse to get a big SSR (Solid State Relay) and have a 25cent micro computer turn it on remotely.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 2:29pm
| Thanks Jim . Candle wax is one thing I didn't try but it's done now . |