What AC do I have?
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Topic: What AC do I have?
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Subject: What AC do I have?
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 9:14pm
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Hi there, new to the forum. I was hoping to see if anyone can tell me what kind of tractor I have? We inherited the tractor from my in laws . All I know about it is that it’s been about 7-8 years since it has last run and according to my wife her dad rebuilt the engine and painted it. It is a 6 cylinder gas engine. I have tried researching and looking on google images and my best guess is that we have a 190? However on the image search I don’t see any 190s with the same grill (4 holes). Can anyone identify what I have or tell me where to find model numbers? I need to know so I can know what parts to look for. I need to replace all of the fuel lines because they are badly dry rotted and leaking. The other problem I have is there is no battery in the box. What battery do I need? I pulled the battery from my ford bronco to see if it would turn over and the 750 cca was not enough. Sorry for the long post, I’m just hoping to get some information so I can get this thing running soon. It could really come in handy for some chores around the property this spring. Thanks in advance! uploads/20923/023CA1AC-537B-4036-B897-11C3C18D5061.jpeg" rel="nofollow - 023CA1AC-537B-4036-B897-11C3C18D5061.jpeg uploads/20923/9E7560D6-0B1C-4C34-AF53-7F1151691135.jpeg" rel="nofollow - 9E7560D6-0B1C-4C34-AF53-7F1151691135.jpeg 
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Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 9:16pm
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It is a 190, missing the grill, that is why the four holes show. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 10:14pm
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battery might have been 1000 amps............. but the motor is only 300 cubic inches... A good 750 amp should turn it over fine........ check cables / ground / starter motor. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 10:21pm
| Welcome to the Forum. That's a nice looking tractor and loader. Was it sitting inside or out for those 7-8 years? |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 10:52pm
| Thanks for the replies guys. I will check the starter and cables when I get time. It has been sitting outside the whole time which is why everything is so dry rotted. I have a feeling I’m going to be replacing a lot of parts on this thing. Just trying to get it running first! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 12:46am
| that's a real sharp looking tractor! good paint for sitting outside all that time! i'm jealous! |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:29am
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The serial/model number is on the left side of the clutch housing. The battery box will hold 2 group 30 batteries. You probably can use 1 battery on a gas. I have a 180 diesel with only one battery and have run one battery on my 190XT diesel when I had one fail. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:37am
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Wow!! That is one really nice looking tractor. I have no idea what it is since I stopped selling in 1962. I cannot believe that it has been sitting outside for that long. It is a family tractor and deserves excellent care. Wish I could be more help. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:37am
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Looking at the pictures again, that may be a 200. That looks like a 200 cab without air conditioning. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:45am
| No such thing as a 200 with gas engine |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:41am
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Definitely a pre 1968 190 or 190XT because it has the early style side panels under rhe hood and that is not a 200 factory cab. Looks like a Year-A-Round or something similar. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:44am
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It's hard to tell for sure but the axle looks to be the small axle which would make it a 1964 190 or a 1965 190 or 190XT.
If your axle measures 2-3.4" it is a '64 or '65. If it measures 3-1/4" I'd say it's a '66 or '67 model. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 11:21am
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Sure does look like a real good start to having a nice tractor. Welcome to the forum and these folks can help you get it up and going. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 2:36pm
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I, like Bill Long, don't have any idea what it is, but that is a VERY nice clear picture. I too can't believe that it has sat outside all that time and looks that good!! Check for the serial number, that'll help define which tractor it is. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 2:50pm
| I agree, nice looking tractor. If I were to guess, I'd say it's in Eastern Colorado? I guess we're spoiled out here on the Great Plains, as it's fairly common for machines to look like that after sitting out their whole lives, especially machines from the '70s/'80s. A little bit of wax and things really shine up. I've been told it's the same in Eastern Washington and the Palouse country. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:54am
Actually, we are in Colorado! However we are located in northern Colorado in the foothills near carter lake. I found a number under the cab on the left side it reads AM 4982-11. I’ll post a picture. Is this the number I’m looking for? Do you guys know how to read it?
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Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:58am
| I’m hoping to mess around with it a little bit today. I picked up a fuel filter and some new fuel lines. It looks like somebody bypassed the sediment bowl and put in an aftermarket fuel filter for better filtration. So today I’m gonna see if I can get fuel and get it to crank. Thanks to everyone for all the great info! |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 9:05am
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Burton Bronco, welcome to the AC forum. Your photo’s number is a part number, not a serial number. On the left side, try looking where the rear of engine plate bolts to clutch bell housing. If it’s a One-Ninety XT diesel, then it’s serial number will be stamped into the clutch bell housing & read from its top or mid section, going downward. Mine reads like this 190 14445 XTD. 
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 9:14am
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From a closer view of one of your tractor’s side photos, it’s loader’s rear frame may be close or possibly covering your tractor’s serial number on its left side?? So try looking just behind the loader for it. Are you located just south of Rt34’s entrance into Thompson Canyon? If so, did the flood 3-4 years ago affect your FIL’s farm? I’ve driven thru or near your Loveland/Longmont area many times when I25 is a parking lot. Our son & his family live in Denver. He attended NCU Greeley. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 4:24pm
Yes we are south of 34 but closer to the south end of Carter lake. I try to avoid I25 as much as possible lol. I was able to find the serial number right behind the bucket arm like you said. Here is a picture very hard to see but it says 190 6417. How do I read it? Does it mean I have a 64?
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Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 4:29pm
here are a couple more pictures. It is a year round cab and looks like it has air conditioning!  
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Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 4:33pm
| So I’ve replaced the fuel lines and fuel filter. Before filling it I wanted to see if I could get it to turn over. I threw a battery in and still can’t get it to crank. When I turn the key and hit the button you hear it click and then a buzzing sound. After a couple tries now it does nothing at all. The cables and connections seem to be in good shape, so do I have a bad starter? |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:00pm
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Good job finding it! It’s a 1965, series one(I). Heres the serial numbers per years. You might try cleaning beyond the 6417 to see if it is a “XT” &/or “D”. Series I 1964 1001-2484, 1965 2485-8218, 1966 8219-8626. 9004-13272(TI) 1967 13273-17784,19001-19261II 1968 19262-22153,23001-23233III 1969 23234-25900, 1970 25901-29135, 1971 29136-31056, 1972 31057-31117, 1973 31118-31140 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:10pm
The click, could be the starter solenoid. You can jump across the solenoid (bypassing it you must be sure it's in neutral) to find out if the starter still works. If the solenoid isn't chattering when you try to start it, you may not be getting power to it. I think there is a safety switch on the clutch? If so, it has to be made' to put power to the solenoid. The shiney part in the pic below, is the solenoid.  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
BurtonBronco wrote:Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:10pm
| Starter could be dragging? But I’d guess that if it’s clicking, it needs a better ground(negative contact) and/ or your battery(s) have a low cranking load? Try using your vehicle to jump the tractor battery(s) as you try starting it. If that starts it then your ground is ok, but tractor battery is not. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:44pm
Bad solenoid is a symptom of a weak battery. If you want to see if it will roll over, take any good car battery, and hook it up temporary, The bigger the battery, the better, of course, just make sure it is good, and fully charged... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Dave76
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:14pm
| You said it sat outside for 7 or 8 years could it have possibly gotten water down the exhaust and engine seized up. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:43pm
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That is one nice looking first series 190 AND WITH AIR! If it has the original PTO engaging lever you will hate that part. I think you can upgrade to the longer lever style pretty easily. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: JK in Pa
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:52pm
| any chance you are using the key to start it? You have to push the button to engage the starter. Good luck and hope this helps. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 9:34pm
| I have tried two different car batteries and the same thing happens when I try to start. I turn the key on, push the button and I can hear the starter click like it’s trying to engage. I tried bypassing the solenoid and same thing. It seems to me like it could be binding up. I am positive it’s in neutral. I was going to try to turn the engine by hand but it doesn’t look like there’s any room to get a ratchet in there unless you remove the radiator. Any thoughts? I guess I could pull the starter and see if it turns while it’s out |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 11:11pm
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Welcome to the forum! I'm about 20 miles or less south of you, west of Niwot. You are quite close to Francis Banderet, who used to be the AC dealer in Commence City, now has Flatiron Equipment, 8127 W I 25 frontage road a bit north of highway 52. He has several AC's around his place, used to have some at 287 and the road into Berthoud. I wonder if you can reach the flywheel easily and try moving it with a big screwdriver, just to make sure the engine isn't locked up.
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2020 at 9:32am
| I don't think you have air conditioning. Is there a compressor under the hood? |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2020 at 9:58am
| One way or another I would want to be certain the engine was free before I tried to make it run. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2020 at 10:06pm
| Thanks for the info sounds like there could be some good resources close by! I had that thought also. I will be pulling the starter to see if I can turn it by the flywheel probably this weekend. It’s been a little too cold the past couple days |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 5:15pm
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So I finally got some time to mess around with the tractor. I pulled the plugs last week and noticed some rust on the ends of a couple plugs so I suspected the engine was seized. I sprayed some penetrating oil in the cylinders and let it sit for a couple days. Then sprayed some more and then some more. I hooked up a battery and after bumping the starter a few times it broke loose! So we sprayed some carb clean in the intake and it will fire! So good news is the tractor should run. I ordered a rebuild kit for the carb and I’ll be changing the oil and plugs soon. What oil and plugs are the best to use?
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Posted By: Dave76
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 10:29pm
| I’m glad you are making progress with your tractor it looks like a good one, not sure about plugs. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 7:59am
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Wow! Awesome that it is going to run for you! Thanks for the updates. More pictures needed too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Dandan111
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:18am
| Man that's a nice tractor. Hope it's running soon. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 7:49pm
| Hey guys been a while since I’ve been on here. We’ve had a lot of house projects that have taken priority over the tractor unfortunately. At any rate I have great news, the tractor is running! I ordered a carb kit online about three weeks ago. It took over a week to show up, when it did I pulled the gasket out and it was about half the size it needed to be. So I went back online and found the right kit and I was finally able to rebuild the carb today. Got everything installed and she runs great! I am ecstatic that it’s finally running, that means the to do list just got longer. Now it’s time to grade the driveway, pull stumps, tear up the old cracked patio, etc., etc. Thanks so much to everyone on this forum who provided input to help get this beast running. I’m sure I’ll have plenty more questions as I get to use it and I’ll post some more pictures soon |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 9:16pm
| That's good to hear. And yes stay on the forum with us all and continue to show off your tractor. Good luck |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 May 2020 at 10:20am
| Just keep an eye on all fluid levels. Radiator and engine oil every day you use it. Don't want to mess up a good thing. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 10:12pm
| Will do. I just changed the engine oil today. Coolant looks like it’s low and hydraulic oil was low. I can’t figure out the transmission dipstick. There is cross hatching at the bottom of the stick and about a half inch above that there is a line. Is the line the full mark? Currently it is at the top of the cross hatch section so I figure that’s safe |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 7:22am
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 7:51am
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 2:35pm
| And don't spin one wheel for any time at all working that loader,brake the slipping one. |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 8:08am
| Ok good to know. I am curious if anyone else can confirm the line on the dipstick? My tractor will not see a lot of hard work here. I mostly plan to use it for grading the driveway, mowing, and drilling post holes. According to the dash it only has about 2400 hours on it |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 8:11am
| Also do these tractors have a parking brake? If so how do I set it? I haven’t been able to figure that out yet |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 11:11pm
Yes, they do. On the right hand side of the dash support there should be a little handle that will flip up and down. You hold down the brake pedals with your foot and flip that lever down=this should lock the pedals in place holding the brakes on. To release, flip the lever back up and then give the brake pedals a little stomp with your foot and they should release and come back up. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: BurtonBronco
Date Posted: 30 May 2020 at 8:12am
| Ok that’s what I thought. I have tried that and it doesn’t want to stay put. Am I doing something wrong? |