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Topic: "UN"perforratting bin floor
Posted By: cowkicker
Subject: "UN"perforratting bin floor
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 7:16pm
Anybody have an idea of something to apply to a perforated grain bin floor to keep feed from sifting through the perforations. For years I have had it covered with geotextile fabric cut and taped to fit but was always having trouble when cleaning out with a sweep auger. Have decided to do something more permanent. Thought about truck bed liner but wouldn't it crack when the floor flexed (30ft dia bin). Is there some type roofing tar material that might work? Just need to apply a thin coat of something to stop the sifting through the holes.



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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 10:10pm
take the floor out


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 10:19pm
You might think about plywood. If you seal it up or take it out, 5 or 10 years later you will want a drying floor again. It never fails.

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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 8:27am
Galvanized sheet metal.

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Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 9:01am
Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

take the floor out
unloading auger is under floor


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 9:52am
OK, please humour me,if the unloading auger is UNDER the perfs and you UNperf, HOW does the grain get augered out ??
 I would not use steel, it rusts, galvanised tin or tar...both could be toxic. Some kind of plastic sounds good....untreated wood might be ok ?


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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 9:53am
The small bin we use for mixing protien pellets and ground corn we put down plastic sheeting and layed plywood over it. It only takesabout an hour after its empty to conver back to an air bin. Wevev saved the cut plywood and used it in a couple different bins. The plastic is just that vapor barrier from menards we used it a couple times also. Itnot taht hard to clean uned the air floor i just take a couple floor panels out and stick a vacuum under there.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 10:15am
how much do you put in the bin?


Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 12:13pm
I would say wood also unless the feed you are putting in it is very dry such as something like dry distillers grain then maybe tin. The wood stills allows moisture and air to move a little


Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

OK, please humour me,if the unloading auger is UNDER the perfs and you UNperf, HOW does the grain get augered out ??
 I would not use steel, it rusts, galvanised tin or tar...both could be toxic. Some kind of plastic sounds good....untreated wood might be ok ?

Wink Jay the whole sides of the bin are galvanized steel already.LOL An tar Confused I hope it doesn't give off to much toxic stuff. All the water I drank as kid came out of a tank with tar for the bottom.

This hot dry country I have never seen bin with way to blow air under the pile so I cannot help you with that answer.  


Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 10:17pm
[QUOTE=jaybmiller]
OK, please humour me,if the unloading auger is UNDER the perfs and you UNperf, HOW does the grain get augered out ??
 I would not use steel, it rusts, galvanised tin or tar...both could be toxic. Some kind of plastic sounds good....untreated wood might be ok ?
[/QUO   A door in the center of the bin floor allows grain and feed to fill bottom auger by gravity After gravity flow stops, a sweep auger is put in bin, on top of the floor, to move the grain to the center door.


Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

how much do you put in the bin?
Bin holds 12.500 bu. Only try to put about 100 tons in it at a time, (4 trailer loads)try to catch some cheap for summer and early fall. And have to be sure to have plenty in it in the late fall and winter, around holidays can really be a pain to find


Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 12:58pm
The poly truck bed liners will work for you! We had them in dump trailers at Meltons and they stand up to about anything except demolition use. I hauled hundreds of loads of hot mix in them with no ill affects to the floor.
Also hauled 1inch whiterock , sand, gravel, etc.in them.
Your weight would be spread over large area, trailers had 30 tons in 8 feet by 32 feet.


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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 1:15pm
followup dumb question..
if you get rid of the holes, how can the grain dry out  or air flow ??





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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

followup dumb question..
if you get rid of the holes, how can the grain dry out  or air flow ??
You guys really need to read the original posts more throughly !! Nowhere did the OP say he's "DRYING" !!
To the OP, look into 1/4" Masonite panels(4x8). A pretty tough panel, VERY smooth texture and can be re-used for future projects Wink


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 6:23am
OK, may not be drying but I've got a picture of a 'grain holding bin' in flames on my slideshow here. I was thinking the grain might catch on fire internally so having air flow 24/7 is a requirement to prevent fires ?
I know coal piles have to be turned otherwise they'll 'self ignite', and my 8-12 yd compost piles( pony poop and pine chips' get really,really HOT if not turned every 2-3 days.


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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 12:01pm
put vertical vents in it with fans on top to suck the heat out of the feed.


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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

OK, may not be drying but I've got a picture of a 'grain holding bin' in flames on my slideshow here. I was thinking the grain might catch on fire internally so having air flow 24/7 is a requirement to prevent fires ?
I know coal piles have to be turned otherwise they'll 'self ignite', and my 8-12 yd compost piles( pony poop and pine chips' get really,really HOT if not turned every 2-3 days.

He's putting FEED into it!! Have you ever fed livestock? The FEED better be dry to begin with or the OP should be talking with his processor. My guess is 12% moisture and below.


Posted By: johnkc
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 7:33pm
Flex seal

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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 6:12am
Only time I ever fed cattle was tossing bales off a wagon for friend's dad 5 decades ago....
missed the 'feed' word in the post and a picture of the flaming bin was on my screen seconds before I read the post, so I was thinking about that...

I just thought a 'grain bin' always needed ventilation.


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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 9:08am
none of the old solid bottom bins had air circulation unless you added air tubes. as long as the grain is dry when you put it in the bin its fine wet grain will self combust.  As i said before we put poly sheets in the bin and covered with thin plywood. keep the plastic and plywood for use later when you remove it. we run a sweep auger on it the sweep dosent touch the floor and leaves about an inch behind. I just sweep that out with a broom. when using a air dry bin for feed. we use 50% protien pellets with ground corn. the ground corn will go thru the preforations in a air floor and some of the protien pellets come apart into dust when you auger them. if your feed isnt dry when you put in a bin it'll mold and you'll have sick or dead animals. we use a dual auger set when filling the feed bin one truck dumping pellets the other dumping ground corn. we only fill with a semi of each when you auger it out of the bin into the feed mixer its already mixed and we can just go to feeding. 



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