Does fuel stabilizer in ethanol gas prevent damage
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Topic: Does fuel stabilizer in ethanol gas prevent damage
Posted By: Lonn
Subject: Does fuel stabilizer in ethanol gas prevent damage
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 7:20am
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 7:45am
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Ethanol damage. Yal might look at some antique gas pumps. In the 1950's every gas station had one gas pump with ETHEL in large letters across the pomp. Guess what the ethel stood for? It was ethanol and many paid the extra now and then to clean out the carburetor as advertised on bill boards. It was called high test and some paid the extra all the time. Until ethanol was mandated in some lower octane gas you didn't hear about damage to fuel systems. Any damage would have to be some other additive other than ethanol that was mandated by EPA that was thought would be good for the environment. |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 8:03am
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I hate to argue with you Dick, but Ethyl gas contains no ethanol. https://aoghs.org/products/tetraethyl-lead-gasoline/" rel="nofollow - https://aoghs.org/products/tetraethyl-lead-gasoline/ ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 10:03am
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I wasn't there in the 1950's to say what was good or bad but today ethanol gasoline sucks arse. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: 200 10and20
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 10:13am
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Joe(OH) wrote:Posted By: LB0442
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 12:29pm
Ethanol/alcohol mixing has been around a while. |
Posted By: 200 10and20
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 12:33pm
| Yes read my reply. MODERN ETHANOL the old stuff was more like moonshine I bet you could have probably drank it!! LOL It was used a lot back in the 20s and 30s then again during WW II. It wasn't till the 1970s that the environmental looneys got into it that we came up with what we are stuck with today. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 1:17pm
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I'm wit ya Lonn!! Ethanol is crap!! Has no life expectancy, separates and makes muck in the fuel system as well as totally messing up Carburetors in such a short period of time! Also plays havoc with air cooled engines valve trains. Ugh!! ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 2:46pm
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I'm burning E85. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 4:24pm
| Funny guys, I started blending this stuff clear back in 1977 and have used it in everything gas powered I have owned every since. That includes tractors lawnmowers, chain saws, cars trucks, tillers, etc. My chain saws usually set for 6 months, law mowers set from 0ct the April. I have never had a problem with it in all those years. Never had a carb off anything except dad's WD 45 after it sat for 10 years outside with a can over the muffler. It works for me. I will continue to use it, I actually I insist on buying it at the stations. And I no longer plant corn . |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 5:58pm
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If ethanol was so good the gov't wouldn't have to force companies to add it to gas. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 5:59pm
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A lot of these empirical stories should be taken with a grain of salt, mixes vary from location to location, due to the wide variety of CAFE standards, across the country. That being said, I use wal-mart camping fuel, in ALL of my small, infrequently used engines. Always start, and never had carb problems. I look at it this way: Is it cheaper to put a new carb on, or use $8-13/gallon fuel?  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 6:21pm
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I'm torn on the ethanol thing. It never causes problems in my old tractors or cars at all. It does not , however, seem to keep well in my snowmobiles or walk behind snow blower. It seems like things that are stored in winter come through just fine, and things that are stored in the summer heat don't fare so well. I am old enough to remember that the old style gas had its share of problems too though in the snowmobiles.  ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 6:26pm
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Back in about 82, worked for a tubular testing company in WY where we tested the final production string internally with straight methanol while it was run in the hole for gas/condensate producing wells. Friday night when we returned from a job, picked up my check but banks were closed and the ol' 64 Galaxie 500XL tank was almost empty. Well, we had a very large methanol tank for testing trucks so put about 10-12 gallons in the girl that had a 30/10 rebuild on the 352 when I bought it about a year earlier. Made it home and was out running errands the next day, had not filled it with fuel as yet and she ran like a striped ass monkey. Topped her off with regular but it was too late and lucky NAPA was open late as Sunday job was replacing both head gaskets, lucky I didn't burn a hole in a piston, or all of em'. Sure cleaned the ol' gal out as she was clean as a whistle, drove her another 2-3 years without any issues.
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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 6:57pm
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Quite a range of experiences on this topic for sure. I’m up here in Canada. All of our regular is 10% ethanol. I run it in everything. Lawn mowers (ride on and push mowers), chain saws-old pioneers which you guys probably don’t have and my WD45. Never had any problems with any of it and I’m talking 20 years plus now. My stuff gets used a fair bit and I think that helps. So same as Tom’s experience. What I have found over the years is heat ruins gas fast. If your stuff is in a little outdoor shed and door is closed the temp in there may be 120 degrees. You will have a problem quickly with any gas in that scenario. I am lucky to have a big insulated shop so pretty constant temp all year. 😀
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 7:23pm
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I bought a 1989 F250 brand new... YEP, over 30 years ago... ILLINOIS has had 10% Ethanol in the gas prior to that... My 1989 ran 250K miles on it.. Never an injector or other problems... Bought a 2001 F150-- same thing,, 250K miles... Bought a 2002 Explorer.. 200K miles... NO injector problems........ I have used 10% in the lawn mower, chain saw, post hold digger, go cart , everything i own.. Let them set 3-4 months for the winter and no problems....... Either there is something ELSE causing the problems you have, or the MIX is different in some states. ............. humidity ?? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 7:29am
Well, once we figure this out for sure, please tell me what motor oil to use in my D17!
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Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 7:42am
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We are lucky up here in northern Ontario so far. Family owns a truck stop/gas station and we sell Petro Canada products. There is no ethanol in their gas yet. If you buy Husky or Esso, they have it because they truck most of their product up from southern Ontario which is ALL ethanol. But what our suppliers are telling us is that may change in the future, but not yet. They are also talking about eliminating regular and premium and going to just a single grade of gasoline. But no real set date on that. I run anything in my auto's though I found when I travel and have to use Husky ethanol I don't get as good of fuel mileage. But for my tractors, atv's and small engines, I use only premium gas and I add either Startron or Marine Stabil. Just for piece of mind. Because the oil and gas industry is just like the gov.....I don't trust either one of them, LOL.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 8:24am
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 8:27am
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 8:31am
| Until 5-6 yrs ago,I had option to by non alky for farm tank. Supplier told me refinery started blending everything at the rack and could no longer get straight gas. Only problem I really had was 16hp Briggs Simplicity wouldn't start/run worth crap after winter pause. Needed new plug to get it going. Was it the gas or junk plugs of today? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 8:32am
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My little C I bought some years back that had sat a long time so that it was stuck when I bought it. I broke it loose and it ran good. The tank was shiny inside but a few years later the tank is rusty inside and in the few years a ran it I've had the carb off to clean that grey crap out several times. Never saw that grey crap until ethanol. Before that a tractor had to sit for a very long time with old gas in it to get varnished up. I'd rather have that varnish than that grey crap that turns to dust when it dries. In a few months you'll get that grey crap with ethanol but it actually takes years for regular gas to varnish up. Couple the ethanol with crappy chinese carb kits and you sell a lot more diesel tractors........ and then there is biodiesel....... uggg! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 8:48am
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I don't seem to have a problem with any of my vehicles with the fuel round' here. It just seems to effect the air cooled engines. I read an article quite a few years back about how Ethanol makes the valves stick in air cooled engines. My Honda HT rider twin was hitting on one cylinder. I threw some sea foam in it to see if it would do anything, and within 20 minutes, it was running like a clock again. I tried the Ethanol free 50-1 fuel in the cans just to see if there was a difference. Within a couple tank fulls on the chain saws and the weed wacker, the engines came to life and really ripped. Throttle response was back again, and they operated like when I first purchased them. I don't know. I figured for as much as I use the weed wacker and chain saw in the summer, I'll just use the canned fuel.... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 9:12am
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I'm very fortunate to live within 15 miles (farm is only about 6 miles) from a tiny little airstrip, "Frankfort-Highland Airport," and I mean TINY. BUT -- I can buy leaded fuel, I'm not now recalling the octane rating or the price. I THINK (pretty sure) around 100 octane, and about exactly (within 2 or 3 cents) the same price as the "Premium Non-Ethanol 91 Octane" gas anywhere else. I don't always go there, being as tiny as it is and pretty out in the middle of nowhere, it's just as easy to go to the local non-ethanol pump about 8 miles away lol. As for ethanol-gas -- FOR ME, it's only small engines/2-cycle that get messed up and generally only the carbs/diaphragms. But not all, many operator manuals for that stuff state they're made to handle up to 15% ethanol. ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 2:16pm
| Must be a state additive regulation thing. All stations where I buy gas only sells 10% ethanol unless they carry the E85 which is higher. I have not had problems with gas and I don't drain gas tanks over the winter. If it has been over a year or two since I have started one of the tractors I do have to clean the carburetor some times. I don't blame it on the ethanol that is blended in though. I blame it on state and federal government refining regulations imposed on the refiners. Some of those have been lifted. It will something I will watch to see if it makes a difference other than lowering the cost of refining. |