Wiring connectors
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Topic: Wiring connectors
Posted By: DCAC
Subject: Wiring connectors
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 5:35pm
| Looking for a source for the original style 4 pin and 4 pin to 2 pin connectors that are under the platform on a 190 XT. These are for the lights, flasher, fuel tank sending unit, auxiliary plug, etc. Are the Delphi type connectors what I should use? Thanks for any and all advice. |
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Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 10:35am
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I'd be willing to bet they are "Packard" type connectors,,search Del City https://www.delcity.net/" rel="nofollow - https://www.delcity.net/ they gots LOTS electrical stuff
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Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 2:57pm
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I have bought The Packard connectors from delcity.com. They are the original GM connectors through the 70's. I also bought original type connectors for my 7010 that they did not have from Mouser electronics. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 3:19pm
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By the way, they are Packard type 56 connectors. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 6:25pm
| Thanks for the replies gentlemen, I'll check it out! |
Posted By: LB0442
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 9:36pm
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Here is a site I have used for some wiring connectors. http://www.waytekwire.com/products?pSearch=56&sc=19" rel="nofollow - http://www.waytekwire.com/products?pSearch=56&sc=19
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Posted By: fourthgeneration
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 10:21pm
| There are packard type 56. There is a type F crimper that is used to crimp them on. If you only need to do single wire crimps you can get a crimper for 20 or so. If you need to do doubles then the set of crimper to do it is 150 from American auto wire. |
Posted By: fourthgeneration
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 10:24pm
| I have been switching connection over to Deutch connectors when possible. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 7:24am
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Your all wrong. The original OEM pin type connectors are Molex. They are the worst for corrosion and flickering lights as they age. When I build my new harnesses, I use the 56 series Delphi connectors as a replacement. Main reason is better contact between two flat surfaces than round pin type surface. Also, the Delphi plugs once they're made up, a little dab of Dielectric grease in each male/female plug, and you have a super connection with the protection to keep Mother Nature out. I stock Packard/Delphi plugs and connectors up to an 8 way plug. HTH Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 8:02am
| Gentlemen, thanks again for the help and advice! I was looking over the Packard 56 connectors, but haven't had a lot of time to really look it over yet. Are the crimped male and female terminals available for 12 gauge wire? I'd like to up the wire gauge from 14 to 12 where possible. Maybe I don't need to use 12 ga. for the lighting wires, and stay with 14? |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 12:03pm
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The 14 gauge wire for lighting is fine. By the time the 190XT came out, the wiring systems were much improved (size wise) over the "D" series and earlier wiring. Upgrading the wiring is a great idea especially on the circuits that carry a larger load such as the charging side of the system, Starter circuits, and upgrading the power feed circuitry in and around the dash is a plus. If you upgrade to an internal regulated Alternator, you can loose the external Voltage regulator. If you do that, and you upgrade to a "SI" series Delco Alternator, run the #2 voltage sense wire to a Voltmeter in the dash and use the Voltmeter + as a junction to branch off a few feed circuits. This way the VR in the Alt can monitor the current usage better and keep the Batteries happy also. With a Voltmeter, you can monitor the charging system much easier and its also safer than the OEM Ammeter. HTH BTW, they do make crimp connectors for 12ga wire. I have bins full of em'....... Steve@B&B bb-customcircuits.com ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 3:39pm
I just went and looked at all 3 of my 190's as well as my 200 and none had Molex connectors in the factory wiring. There were some bullet connectors for the lights. But no Molex which are small round solid round pin. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Steve in NJ wrote:Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 5:52pm
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Molex is the company that makes the pin plug connectors. I have a few OEM original harnesses here that I use for patterns from the same model Tractors that you have and they're all Molex pin plugs. Terrible as they age. Cause a lot of issues. Maybe not in TX as much. Probably quite a bit dryer where you are than where we are here on the East coast.... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 5:57am
| Thanks again, everyone, for your help! Hopefully I'll get some time in the next couple days to get a list of what I need put together to get this project back on track. |