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Allis Chalmer 6138LT engine

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Topic: Allis Chalmer 6138LT engine
Posted By: DIEMA185
Subject: Allis Chalmer 6138LT engine
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 7:25am
Hello everybody!

My name is Cyril. I'm now repairing a small locomotive equiped with an Allis Chalmer diesel engine 6138LT. I have done the overhaul of the engine but I need your help.
During the transportation from the engine repair workshop to home, the carrier has broken the oil pan of the engine.
I'm looking for a new oil pan or a good second hand.
Do you know where I can find & buy it?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Best regards.

Cyril



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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 9:00am
Many models used essentially the same base block.  HD16, HD21, and some TS scrapers used the 6138 in different power variations but should all fit same or very similar oil pan.  i would guess all these models used the same deep oil pan and scavange pump system.  Now being a locomotive engine, its possible the deep pan is not used, in which case could possibly be found on power unit engines, generator etc.   The shallow flat bottom pan was used on american tractor models 8550 and 4w-305.  I would not think difficult to find either way in the USA, France who knows.

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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD10W,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, R62, R72 HD15


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 11:36am
Hello,

Thanks for your prompt reply.
It is what I think so... On my engine, the oil pan bottom is (near) flat...



Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 11:38am
The engine before general overhaul:



Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 11:53am
It must not be cast?


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 12:23pm
Hello,

The oil pan is a casted part.
My engine is:
Model: 6138-LT
Serial number: 14-01247
Catalogue: 4395772      9-7451-
If somebody have or can find a part who can suit my need, I'm interested in....
Unfortunatly, Allis Chalmer engines are unknown in France....


Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 12:25pm
looks like tractor oilpan.   AGCO # 74395844

found one in florida  but should verify casting number to be sure

https://gtengineparts.com/1790399" rel="nofollow - https://gtengineparts.com/1790399


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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD10W,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, R62, R72 HD15


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 12:31pm
Hello,

Thanks for the reply.
You're right, we must check the casting number...
If it's match, you are my heroe!!


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 12:40pm
Casting numbers seems to be different:



Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2019 at 2:32pm
number i gave is part #.  i do not know casting # or if interchangeable

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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD10W,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, R62, R72 HD15


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 11:13am
The engine is ready after a complete rebuilding.
I finally didn't find any oil pan, so we do a new one (casted)....

By the way, the engine make some smoke until the engine working temperature of 80-90°C is not attempt.
What do you think about?


Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 9:23pm
Can we get any pictures of the locomotive? What will it be used for?

That engine looks very nice now.


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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1956 WD-45


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 9:26am
Sorry for being late in posting to this thread, I just saw it. For future info remember that AC used different oil pans on each engine series. The pans may look the same on the outside but, they had different internal baffling and it was based on the application the engine was going into.
During my time at the Harvey Engine plant that engine with the "small" turbo was referred to as the 17,000 series; that might be of help when looking for parts. 


Posted By: DIEMA185
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 10:57am
Thanks for the info ACJACK....
For John, the locomotive is used on a tourist site/railway:



Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 6:32pm
I can't help with the pan, but want to thank you for posting a picture of the locomotive. We enjoy all pictures from around the world.



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