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Topic: Anyone Round Bale Hemp?
Posted By: calico190xt68
Subject: Anyone Round Bale Hemp?
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:02am
I have gotten involved in a situation where a research hemp plot has to have the crop removed for testing. A friend involved in planting it has asked me to round bale it. The crop ran into some trouble due to 30 days of no rain and some kind of tainted seed situation, and so they couldn't do a traditional cutting while it was green. Since it is listed as a research plot, it has to be taken in one way or another.

This industrial hemp is really tough stuff. I tried using my disc mower on it and after one round on a 5 acre field, my turtles had completely seized up. The fibers were wrapped around them tightly. He is going to try to sickle bar mow today. Assuming he is successful, we will round bale. I think if it was green, it would be much easier. In it's dried state, it feels like bamboo.

I am nervous about those fibers getting caught up in my baler and causing damage after seeing my disc mower. I will be running an AC 7010 and a JD 467 baler.

Anyone have any experience round baling dried hemp stems? They are about 5 feet tall.


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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 10:39am
Get a New Holland chain baler they will bale anything.


Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:30am
If your baler will not work in corn stakes, do not even pull it in the field.
Here some farmer are having to take weedeaters, with saw blades to cut it.
Then haul it to the edge of the field and hand feed it into silage choppers.


Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:38am
Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

Get a New Holland chain baler they will bale anything.
What he said


Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:47am
Here something else you can try.
Get a bush hog and cut 1/3 of the side shield off. Some were made so that it would unbolt.
It will cut and put the hemp in a windrow. I have cut hay with one.
The hemp should be chopped up somewhat and then it will feed into a round baler.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:48am
It will do corn stalks but this stuff acts much tougher. 

Funny you should say that about cutting it with a metal head weed eater.  We were joking that cutting it by hand might be the only solution yesterday.  I see you are from Kentucky and know there are many trying out hemp, so I imagine you are dead right.   I have heard that some are handling it like tobacco which is very manual.

The real problem is that due to the crop failure, but extreme regulation, they have to ship it for inspection as I understand it.  Silage chopper sounds like a good idea.  I thought about a wood chipper too. :-)

This year was supposed to be the trial year here in Indiana.  So, next year can be more outdoor growing and higher volume.  I guess there is a possibility that this field has a higher THC content than is allowable due to the seed mixup, hence ship it for testing.  It has turned into a nightmare to say the least.

I have to make up my mind by tomorrow on whether I want to try and bale it.  Appreciate your insight.

I don't have time to get a New Holland chain baler but maybe next year that might be a good idea. 


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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:49am
Around here the cut it with weed eaters then store it to dry in a greenhouse once dry they use tree cipppers and blow it back in the green house to finish drying tree chipper was grunting to get it done

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 12:01pm
I do like the bush hog idea of taking off the side shield and making the wind row.  The bush hog I have does not come off.  Is that something that you have done or seen done by someone else?  What bush hog model would work best.

I worry that this stuff will get wrapped around the bush hog blade too.

Thanks.


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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 12:03pm
This stuff is already dried, just in the field.  So I imagine it is just like when it sit in the barn and then dried.  Tree chipper sounds extreme but maybe the best idea.  Once they chipped it, did they bale it?  How did they transport it?


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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 2:05pm
Sounds to me like it should be someone else's problem, unless it's on your land. 

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Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 2:20pm
I help a farmer 35+ years ago that had a bush hog type mower that one side of the shield un-bolted. It would put the hay off to that side, not behind the mower.
That is the only one that I have seen.
Here they are chopping it into dump trucks and then hauling it to the processor.
On the tree chipper, one company is taking them and adding support equipment to them to make a processor for hemp. $35,000.  
Here is a hemp stripper that I built.



Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 2:56pm
PaulB,  You are right it isn't my problem other than I agreed to help my buddy out and the land owner allows me to bale a bunch of hay.  So, I am probably going to walk away this year.  However, I am thinking about applying for a permit and jumping into this hemp business.  Learning from the mistakes of others and getting a game plan is what's on my mind now.  Corn and soybeans have been worthless for me these past two years. 

It appears we have a problem here in central Indiana in that we have no processing plants very close to us.  Hence, we have to bale it.  Apparently, my buddy got involved with Sunstrand out of Louisville, KY on this contract but they want their contracts within 100 mile radius.  We are just outside of that.  If we get a processing plant, then the dump trucks would be a good idea.

That machine looks really nice that you built.  I need to find out more about that if I jump into the hemp business.  I assume this separates the seeds?  Did you build this for yourself to use?


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Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 4:44pm
The stripper takes the leaf/bud off the stalk.
I built two for a local hemp farmer.
They are put the stripped hemp is the large seed totes, but only get 400 lbs or so in one.
You can see a video of it working on Cabin Hollow Metal Art FB page.
In 2014, they planted 35 ac here (KY), this year over 40,000 ac were planted.
From what I have seen/heard, you want to go big 50 - 100+ ac and chop it or under 5 ac and grow for the top market. Cut the buds off while it in the field, then cut the rest of the plant and hang it like tobacco. The stripping takes a large amount of labor. Maybe 3-4 times what it takes for tobacco.
These are the prices I seen at the end of Oct. I do not know what they are now.
The very high CBD buds is selling for $100 - $250+ per lbs.
The stripped leaf/bud mix is selling for $20 per lbs.
And this is with a yield of 1200 -1500 lbs per ac.
I have not seen a price for the chopped whole plant.


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 5:57pm
If you can find a drum mower, try that, I ain't seen anything it won't cut...  Since the drums are bigger than turtles, don't wrap like turtles.  Also a hesston 530, or its IH clones bale anything, too...Wink

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Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 7:21pm
When I get into tough nasty thick stuff, 185 with a 6' Bush Hog brand cutter with the large gear box cutting high makes her grunt but she chops it up, just watch the drive line level on the pto cutting 2' high.
Second pass is in 1st low on the PD with cutter down for 6" cut and she will bark grinding everything up.
Does the hemp have to be chopped up and left on the ground, or crop removed from field?

Maybe call some hippie co-ops, see if they'll smoke it, er, take it.


Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 11:38pm
I'd say the best bet is a silage chopper with a row-less head. You could just use a regular bushhog and rake and bale, but you'll leave quite a bit on the ground.

Everybody has went big with hemp around here this year, looks like most may wind up loosing big. Lots of people had contracts and the contracts fell though, and are having trouble finding somebody to buy it. This spring, all the talk was $40K per acre, now most people are hoping they can at least break even. My personal thought is it's a fad and the supply is more than the demand. Everybody thought they would get rich raising it, but lets face it, they will pay the farmer just enough to keep him raising it, no more. That's the way it's always been, you ain't going to get rich farming.


Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 6:29am
The folks here that are growing here must have not had a market or dropped contract. Acres still in the field ,black from freeze and snow. Is it still marketable in that condition? I never went to any of the local meetings but seems like the market was too far away. Is $40,000.00 supposed to come to the farmer or is that the total of finished product sales/ value? Back to the original post , if the leaves have any value I'd say harvesting by hand is the only choice but if the value is in the stems for fiber I'd be looking for a new idea "cutdishner" heavy flail mower. Good luck and if the locals start baling theirs I'll let you know what they are trying.

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Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 6:50am
The 100 mile limit is due to when harvest green chopped/bale you have 5 hours before it heats up.
On KET (PBS) last night 11-18, they had a live round table on hemp.
On place is paying $35/lbs for leaf/flower mix. ( They call the bud "flower")
In TN, you can sell direct to smokers and the top grade flower is bring up $450/lbs.
On return, at a yield of 1200/ac (leaf/flower mix)  x $20/lbs = $24,000.
Cost to plant is $4000 to $8000 per ac.
Here alot of the farmers cut the flower early in the fall and are still cutting the plants in the field.
Now if you do not have a market or the TCH is to high, then you are out of luck.
That's one thing that has come up. Some lines from the western state have low TCH there, but when raised in KY, the TCH is way to high.




Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 7:43am
Originally posted by m16ty m16ty wrote:

I'd say the best bet is a silage chopper with a row-less head. You could just use a regular bushhog and rake and bale, but you'll leave quite a bit on the ground.

Everybody has went big with hemp around here this year, looks like most may wind up loosing big. Lots of people had contracts and the contracts fell though, and are having trouble finding somebody to buy it. This spring, all the talk was $40K per acre, now most people are hoping they can at least break even. My personal thought is it's a fad and the supply is more than the demand. Everybody thought they would get rich raising it, but lets face it, they will pay the farmer just enough to keep him raising it, no more. That's the way it's always been, you ain't going to get rich farming.


With any new industry there are going to ups and downs and a steep learning curve.Hemp was a good crop in the USA before the gov't stupidly outlawed it because of the Pot Psychosis thing.Hemp has a lot of very good potential uses,I use Hemp oil on my knees has really helped them to not hurt all the time.I've read its fibers are softer than cotton.
Maybe JD and Kubota can start making their tractor hoods out of hemp,won't break like the plastic they use now and can be ground up when the electronics go completely haywire and tractor is junked(LOL)


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 9:00am
Really appreciate all of the replies!  I was busy last night and didn't get a chance to keep up  with the posts.  I really appreciate all of the info from CabinHollow.  Lot of good ideas to pursue on equipment too.  Allisrutledge, do let me know if you see anyone baling it and what they use.  It got too wet yesterday to do anything, so it is still out there.  The fact that the stuff is still in the field down south, like this stuff, makes me think it is trash this late in the season.  I didn't attend the meetings either, but I am wondering if it isn't worth trying 5 acres for the big dollar CBD oil.  I made nothing, not including my time on soybeans for 5 acres this year and looks tough for years to come so whats the harm? 

This stuff that I am dealing with was targeted at the fiber market.  It appears that the CBD oil harvesting is very tricky.  The window and the ability to snag the perfect seed can't wait on hand harvesting.  Figuring out how to harvest the fiber stuff might be a niche on custom baling as long as the equipment doesn't get torn up.  I will let everyone know what happens on this stuff.  Indiana is very new to this crop so a bunch of people are scratching their heads.  I don't think we are going to go down the silage/wood chipper route, but who knows.  Laughed at the use of hemp for hoods and grinding up of electronics. :-)  Will check into hippie coops too.  :-)  Funny thing is I have seed all over the barn lot where I cleaned off the mower.  If it grows, I would be considered to be illegal.

I think there is money in it, but you have to be in control of the variables and probably be an early successful adopter.  Of course, no one can control the weather which may be one of the reasons the hemp fields are crap this year.


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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 9:54am
I have a Matthews Company Rotary Scythe. To those unfamiliar with the Rotary Scythe, it is a flail mower.  The flail is a cup blade attached to a pin not a chain 'T' flail.
The Rotary Scythe will cut anything I have tried to cut.  Even does a good job on small trees and buck brush.
I bet it would cut hemp.


Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Clay Clay wrote:

I have a Matthews Company Rotary Scythe. To those unfamiliar with the Rotary Scythe, it is a flail mower.  The flail is a cup blade attached to a pin not a chain 'T' flail.
The Rotary Scythe will cut anything I have tried to cut.  Even does a good job on small trees and buck brush.
I bet it would cut hemp.

I'll 2nd that on the MC Rotary Scythe it will cut anything,actually have 2 one that sits out to the side like a haybind and one that follows directly behind the tractor.


Posted By: WILLOPS
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 12:07pm
Guys here at home are chopping it like silage.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 1:43pm
I passed on buying one of these Rotary Scythes years ago because I didn't know much about it. I may have to revisit that.

Willops,

Are they cutting it first and feeding it into a silage chopper. Or just chopping it in the field. I think they hand cut it to get the tops unless they are focused only on the fiber hemp and then they chop and ship.

Are they done chopping it or still doing it now where you live in Kentucky?

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Posted By: WILLOPS
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 2:19pm
calico190xt68, no they are running it straight through self propelled choppers and blowing it into hoppers, then taking it to a self contained baler that makes a larger than normal round bale, that then in turn wraps it with silage wrap. Now with that said, the same guy has started running a baler over it today, they are running right over standing plants and stripping the stalks, they are also using high clearance tractors to clear the hemp.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 2:57pm
WILLOPS, thanks for the info. How does that baler strip the stalks? What kind of baler is it? I wonder if they silage wrapped the good stuff and are "straight" baling the bad stuff or at least the top?

Those old high clearance tractors are making a comeback. :-) Seems hemp requires a bunch of old style equipment. I was going to sell my sickle bar mower too.

The more I investigate this hemp, the crazier it gets on harvesting it.

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Posted By: WILLOPS
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 3:08pm
CALICO190XT68, AS FAR AS HOW ITS DOING, GOOD QUESTION, NOT REAL GOOD, THEY CALLED ME YESTERDAY LOOKING FOR A SICKLE MOWER, I DID NOT, SO WE DROVE BY TODAY AND THEY ARE RUNNING IT THROUGH STANDING PLANTS, DIDNT LOOK LIKE IT WAS REALLY STRIPPING IT THAT GREAT. ALSO THIS HEMP IS GROWN IN HEALS LIKE POTATOES, SO THEY MUST BE RUNNIG THE PICK UP ALL THE WAY UP. THEY ARE WRAPPING IT AND ALSO NOT MKING FULL SIZE ROLLS. I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BALE IT LIKE THE PEANUT FARMERS IN GEORGIA DO, BUT THATS NOT THE WAY THEY ARE DOING IT. IM STILL CONFUSED ON THE WHOLE SITUATION. MOST OF THE PLANTS HERE ARE BARELY KNEE HIGH, WE WENT A MONTH AND A HALF WITH NO RAN SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS PLANTED.


Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 3:35pm
WILLOPS makes some good points.
They do not know whats works best, or what even works.
There is also a number of difference ways, it is planted and grown.
So, what works on one farm, may not work on another farm.
I have seen some that was planted on 6x6 spacing.
Plants 4' tall x 4' diameter and the stake at the ground 3"+ diameter.
And some planted more like tobacco.
Plants 6'+ tall x 1 1/2' diameter and the stake at the ground under 2" diameter.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 3:40pm
Thanks Willops.  If they grow it in heals, they were probably focused on the higher grade CBD stuff and not fiber.  Fiber goes in rows, I believe.  It most likely was a failure due to poor weather as here in Indiana.  Same 30 days, no rain.  If it was barely knee high it was not good hemp.  They are simply trying to salvage something and using some desperate techniques to do that.  Just as we are.  Let me know if you ever get into a conversation with them about what appears to be a fiasco and what worked.  Curious why they are not using a silage chopper?  If they wanted to borrow a sickle mower, they must not have had that in their long term plan.  Probably going to hand cut and now it is worthless to do that.

Perils of farming are everywhere.  I am trying to get a game plan for next year.


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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 3:47pm
Cabinhollow, agreed.  No one has much experience with this stuff.  The stuff we are dealing with was planted like wheat but with wider spacing.  I am going to find someone over the winter that can explain this stuff to me.  If I decide to go after this market, I will contact you about your hemp stripper assuming you would build another one.  I watched the video and it looked good.  I still don't know what we are going to do up here about harvesting this stuff.

By the way, I looked at your other products and do you make AC Tractor metal signs?  I didn't see any.  Love to have a 190xt version of what you make.


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Posted By: WILLOPS
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 3:50pm
calico190xt68, I will fore worn you, the guys here in Kentucky have had very bad luck getting paid, the above farmer refused to put the first plant in the ground until the contractor had paid him up front for all his projected labor, to the sum of around $400,000, and I've been told he is still waiting for another even larger sum of money, and is holding back the product until payment. Another farmer friend planted hemp for seed production, and was never paid by the same contractor, they kept enough product to recoup there costs by made no profit.  Both of these farmers are doing hundreds of acres and are not certain they will be doing it again, not do to the problems with weather, but due to there experiences with the buying/selling process, they both said its tobacco done over but with out the security of the old contracts.  


Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 4:55pm
Hundreds of ac on a new to everyone crop.
You had better just bend over and keep the lube handed.
I have talk to a few that raised under 5 ac, all family labor and they were pleased with the return.
A processor in KY went BK, the end of Oct and just the first two claims total $17M. 

calico190xt68
On a sign, all I need is a picture, what size you want and how it will displayed.
I do only powder coat in one color.


Posted By: WILLOPS
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 5:06pm
I wouldn’t necessarily call it a new crop, my grandma grew up on a hemp farm here in Kentucky, and we’ve been growing test plots here for a couple of years now. I think we’ve just jumped in head first around here. Not to mention it’s grown just like Kentucky’s #1 cash crop(marijuana). Just doesn’t have to be hidden in the woods anymore lol. My thoughts are to stay away from it for now, and wait and see what happens and the equipment costs.


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

Originally posted by m16ty m16ty wrote:

I'd say the best bet is a silage chopper with a row-less head. You could just use a regular bushhog and rake and bale, but you'll leave quite a bit on the ground.

Everybody has went big with hemp around here this year, looks like most may wind up loosing big. Lots of people had contracts and the contracts fell though, and are having trouble finding somebody to buy it. This spring, all the talk was $40K per acre, now most people are hoping they can at least break even. My personal thought is it's a fad and the supply is more than the demand. Everybody thought they would get rich raising it, but lets face it, they will pay the farmer just enough to keep him raising it, no more. That's the way it's always been, you ain't going to get rich farming.


With any new industry there are going to ups and downs and a steep learning curve.Hemp was a good crop in the USA before the gov't stupidly outlawed it because of the Pot Psychosis thing.Hemp has a lot of very good potential uses,I use Hemp oil on my knees has really helped them to not hurt all the time.I've read its fibers are softer than cotton.
Maybe JD and Kubota can start making their tractor hoods out of hemp,won't break like the plastic they use now and can be ground up when the electronics go completely haywire and tractor is junked(LOL)

If jd made the hoods outta hemp, at least you could get a lil buzz, as the tractor burns...Wink

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 7:18pm
That's all good information.  Appreciate any and all insight.  I believe this baling job is a sour contract situation as well.  Not big enough to lose any real money.  There could be a lawsuit too.  I am just a bystander for now.  The crazy part to this story is that the license holder is a single mom, who knows nothing about farming or own any land! 

Despite all of the bad, I still think the opportunity might be in either figuring out how to help these hemp pioneers harvest the plants or in actually raising the product.  I am thinking of getting a handler license at a minimum and figure out how to harvest it.  I now know of three test plots around me and all are struggling to harvest.  Funny thing is old farm equipment seems to be the best equipment.  I got plenty of old equipment.

I am leaning towards the small 5 acre patch for cbd oil and skip the fiber stuff.  I think cabinhollow may be right about the small operator making money even though highly manual.  They don't have a big investment and reduce their financial exposure.  It sounds just as manual as making small square hay bales.  Looks like some hemp growers actually direct market the cbd oil although that looks like a big investment.  I will probably wait a year on growing it and see how another year of growing and harvesting  plays out around here.

Indiana is late to the game but they may have learned something.  Indiana claims that you need to submit a marketing plan, contract sources and contracts for the seed acquisition before you get the license.

Cabinhollow, I will PM you after I get a picture of my 190XT for you to make some metal art.  You can give me a price then too.  Thanks.


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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 7:26pm
BTW, laughed about that JD hemp tractor burning and driver getting at least a buzz. :-)  These new tractors need to be leased and not owned.  Electronics will never last.


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Posted By: Kiwi
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2019 at 12:59pm
Hi all it looks like this hemp thing is the next big thing even here in New Zealand every one is jumping into it with seed production and fibre


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2019 at 2:40pm
Kiwi,

Are they struggling like us, or do they have the growing, harvesting and selling processes all figured out?  I read that China has this market previously cornered because the United States qualified it as a drug and no one could grow it for many, many years.  Did it get deregulated in New Zealand or just no one wanted to do it until the hype arrived?

What kind of AC tractors do you have down there?


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Posted By: Kiwi
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 12:25am
Hi we have a company called Carrfields that has contacts for hemp and they have a Claas lexion combine with two fronts the top one is a Macdon which cuts the seed heads and feeds them through the drum and the lower one is a silage chopper front and cut the stalks which are left to dry and then baled with a 4600 hesston type baler you can go to http://www.carrfields.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.carrfields.co.nz dual cropping . Because the THC level is so low the government have let people grow it but it comes restrictions like police checks it is not to be grown within so many meters of a main road etc. Will start a new post about the Allis tractor in New Zealand


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 9:13am
Kiwi,

That is the correct way to do it, but also quite expensive. I saw a John Deere version of that same concept but haven't heard of anyone owning one yet. You would have to have a bunch of hemp acreage to cost justify those machines. Hard to buy something like without a solid market or ability to acquire seed. After this year, I think a bunch of people will exit the market.

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Posted By: wayne IA
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 10:14pm
Here is a video from the Gleaner road show with hemp.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyGvWKN9_y0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyGvWKN9_y0


Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2019 at 6:05am
That was really worth watching. Very cool.


Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2019 at 7:47am
Michael, they are harvesting by hand and loading on old school busses.

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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2019 at 11:47am
Thanks for the video. That's the right way to do it.

Allisrutledge, thanks for the info. School bus? Why not wagons? Maybe it needs to be covered. Desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose.

The hemp is still in the field here in Indiana. We are trying to figure out if it has any value versus further cutting/transportation costs. I believe the contract buyer isn't returning phone calls which is a bad sign.

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Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 1:05am
Everybody around here is dealing with it much like tobacco. Hand cutting it in the field, hanging it in the barn to dry, then striping it by hand, and putting it into big bags.

One local guy that has part interest in a sawmill is hanging it in the lumber kiln dryers are the mill and drying it that way.

It’s pretty labor intensive, but most people raising it are ex-tobacco farmers and are better setup for all the hand labor.

The figures I was hearing back in the spring was average $40k gross per acre at harvest time. I don’t know what it cost to put it out, but it’s my understanding that there are no chemicals labeled to use on it, so you have to cultivate it when small, then hand hoe it once it gets too big to run through with the cultivator.

Another real issue around here is cross-pollinating hemp with marijuana. It’s my understanding that if somebody plants some illegal marijuana plants near your legal hemp crop, it can cross-pollinate with the hemp and raise the THC to illegal levels. Here in TN, all crops are tested for THC levels, your crop test too high, you have to destroy it all.


Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 7:00am
Cost to plant per ac can run from $2000 to over $8000.
It depends on if you buy seed or plants and what type of seed/plants you buy.
I know some farmers that were giving the plants, all they were out was land,labor,etc.
On cross-pollinating, that's more on the seed production side.
If the seed/plant you use has low TCH, about the only thing that will effect it is the climate.
But if that plant is cross-pollinated by MJ and you keep the seed, the plants grown from that seed, will have higher TCH.
This goes back to the cost per ac to plant. You can buy un-certified or certified seed/plant.
One local farmer used un-certified seed/plants and his TCH was way to high.
Plus they have found that depending on the maturated of the plant, the TCH level can be high or low.
Here they are pushing for a 1% level TCH you can still harvest, but then it has to be blended to .3% before it is sold.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 1:33pm
Update on the hemp baling.  Sickle bar mower cut it down just great.  Laid it right down without shaking the tops much. 

I was busy, so another guy took his IH Round Baler over to bale the entire plant without chopping first.  One bale was produced and then it clogged up tight.  Glad I didn't try it. 
Just as predicted from my southern AC friends, you can't bale hemp fiber until it gets chopped.  You may still not want to bale it after it gets chopped either.  From central Indiana, baling is about the only way we can economically transport the hemp fiber to Kentucky for processing.  I know there is a time limit on processing so not sure that can be met.

So, it is now sitting in the field, laying on the ground.  I can't imagine that will be good for the plants, but we aren't sure it is worth anything or worth the time to hand harvest.

Not sure where this goes from here.


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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 1:35pm
Gee, I think I'm going to run out and get ready to grow hemp next year!Tongue


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 3:55pm
Every failure has opportunity.  Better to be watching the first failure from a computer screen than from the field, that's for sure. 

As crazy as it sounds, I still may try it.   The only thing that worked for me this year is hay.  My beans were a loss.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. :-)



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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 10:24pm
A friend of mine grew a half acre of hemp last year at his orchard in western Colorado, he sold it through another friend on this side of the mountains.  Got a check for $30,000. figures he had $10,000 in growing and harvesting (hand cut).  So he was quite happy with $20,000 profit and decided to grow a full acre this year.  Only talked to him once this fall and he didn't brag about how much he made so don't know if he did as well this year or not.
The guy my friend sold the stuff to, also a friend, is a BTO with about 170 acres of hemp, along with around a thousand acres of grain, hay and veggies.  He chopped the hemp with a big JD self propelled chopper into a brand new Western Star tandem axle truck with a manure spreader box with double doors on the back.  Told me the truck was a tax write off from the hemp business.  I don't think he did nearly as well this year as last.


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Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 8:53am
Thanks for that feedback from Colorado. I suspect that Colorado doesn't have the same red tape that we have here. That's a lot of money off of a half acre! That was also a lot of money to invest in a half acre. Sounds like growing conditions were good which may not have been true this year. As well, more people are jumping in which will lower the price. This is the second story I have heard where going small isn't a bad idea.

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Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 10:11am
In Colorado, were they growing hemp or marijuana? They are “legally” selling marijuana in CO, so there has to be people raising it somewhere.


Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2019 at 11:52am
I think he is referring to hemp.  MJ has very tight controls and I am not sure about growing outside at all.  Colorado is one of the few places you can get quality hemp seed from what I found on doing research.   I am sure they have transferred their MJ growing skills over to hemp.


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Posted By: thomaspeket
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 9:57am
It's still kind of weird we can grow that stuff now... Just a few years ago, you would go to jail if you grew weed. The worst thing is that there are people in jail still because they used/sold weed. It's crazy when you think about it, but it gave us online stores like http://https://www.mailorder-marijuana.com/reviews/cannawholesalers/" rel="nofollow - canna wholesalers . It's one of the better stores you can buy weed from, but it's still worth checking out different options too.
I love trying weed from different places because it's the only way to know which store sells the best product.


Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 7:03am
Originally posted by thomaspeket thomaspeket wrote:

It's still kind of weird we can grow that stuff now...


Has to be below a certain level of THC to be able to be grown out in open fields (probably have to smoke a bale's worth to get high- haha). It is tested and if above the amount of THC, it has to get destroyed. Happened here in Massachusetts and a few farmers grow it. Signs along road saying stuff like no trespassing and low thc to stop theft.


Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:59am
Gee Stan your state better get a move on all us WOKE places grow what every you want.LOL Well that was a go until big, BIG money wino's got worried that smell could taunt the taste of their wine. LOLLOLLOL


Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 9:31am
Hemp doesn't have THC in it, smoking bales of it would do nothing but make you cough!  They processed tons of it during WWI or II, so a trip to the library might be in line to see if you can find out how they did it.  If the company wants it to make products out of then chopping it would defeat that purpose.  Maybe an antique corn binder would be the way to go.  A lot of work but that's why you can get work Visa's for our neighbors to come work for us.


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Posted By: LaverneDejardin
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 6:43am
Originally posted by calico190xt68 calico190xt68 wrote:

Thanks Willops.  If they grow it in heals, they were probably focused on the higher grade CBD stuff and not fiber.  Fiber goes in rows, I believe.  It most likely was a failure due to poor weather as here in Indiana.  Same 30 days, no rain.  If it was barely knee high it was not good hemp.  They are simply trying to salvage something and using some desperate techniques to do that.  Just as we are.  Let me know if you ever get into a conversation with them about what appears to be a fiasco and what worked.  Curious why they are not using a silage chopper?  If they wanted to borrow a sickle mower, they must not have had that in their long term plan.  Probably going to hand cut and now it is worthless to do that.
https://highthc.shop/product-category/thc-vape-pen/" rel="nofollow - I have a company that has contacts for hemp, and they have a combination of two front ends, the top one cuts the seed baskets and feeds them through the drum, and the bottom one is a silage chopper. Stems are left to dry and then packed into bales by the baler. You can visit  for grocery shopping. Because THC levels are so low, the government has allowed people to grow it, but there are restrictions, such as police checks, it cannot be grown within a few feet of the main road, etc.


Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 7:24am
If it was for the fiber wouldn't it be better if it wasn't chopped up? But I guess it would be like wool or cotton it would have to be spin to make thread?



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