AC disc. 10' parts.
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Topic: AC disc. 10' parts.
Posted By: 79fordblake
Subject: AC disc. 10' parts.
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 1:57pm
Bought me a new project last weekend. From the manuals I've been looking up it is a model 211 10' Disc. New tires/tubes and hydraulic hose this weekend so I can move it around. 8 blades per gang plus an extra small one on the back. I'll probably replace all blades. All bearings are good but one. I know it will be expensive but I'll just work on it a little at a time. Where will I find correct blades? I've been looking at shoups and I believe I found the correct notch blades I want on the front. Will need various other parts as well. Thanks for any help.  
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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 2:08pm
| Agri supply seems to have quite a few discs . Not sure if there's one close to you . Thanks |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 5:12pm
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Blake, Congrats on the disc! The 45 is looking good! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 5:17pm
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I think we have a nos snap coupler hitch that your missing. I like the tires on the tractor. Do you have any other toys for it. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 5:51pm
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Blake, I see you have the 13.6-28's How do they dig? Your sure have the old girl weighted up for workin! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 6:51pm
| Chris, it use to have 14.9-28 Goodyear shortbar/long bar tires. The 13.6-28 Firestones pull way better. Still need a full set of front weights. Everybody seems to love seeing the weights when I take it somewhere. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 7:16pm
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What the - GREEN LEAVES?!?!?! I LOVE KENTUCKY lol! Seriously though, I do. Only been a few places there but driving through the state, I loved every bit of it, and if I ever decide to leave New Yorkistan that's where I want to live. Real nice pics! ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 7:30am
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Blake, Thanks I may try the 13.6's on the WD-Z for some antique tractor pulls next spring! Weighted up like that it should pull the disk real well! Did you do the white lettering? Is the tractor going to get painted? I see you have some sheet metal primed. Question for you folks using Allis cylinders for raising implements? Is this the same cylinder that is on the tractor?? Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 10:06am
| Allis blades don't have as much cup in them as all replacements I've found. I put new ones on my "11 blade" disc many years ago and it doesn't cut worth a hoot. Because of the gang angle,they are borderline of running on the back side of leading edge. |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 10:42am
When I went to the Allis dealers open house, they showed movies from the Allis test center with the WD weighted with quite a few weights like you have. I put extra weights on the land wheel for plowing.
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79fordblake wrote:Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 10:54am
My father had an AC disk in the 1950ies but it wasn't a transport and it had greaseable oak blocks for the disk shaft bearings, and never wore out.
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 6:05pm
| I for sure want to find the correct blades. I don't see the point in fixing it up without them. I want this thing to be nice. I'm sure it will take some time. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 6:11pm
| Chris, yes I did the white lettering. Yes it will get painted eventually. Completely overhauled engine with NOS parts roughly 3 years ago. May have 10hrs on it. New tires all the way around. Have $2,000 worth of NOS final drive parts laying in the little room waiting to be installed. This was my Grandpa's tractor. Crazy how much money you can spend on a tractor that wasn't even in bad shape when you started. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 1:24pm
Been tinkering with disc some. Got one gang on front apart. It appears none of the blades were original. Tightened and packed the wheel bearings today.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 1:54pm
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79fordblake, Ok I have to ask about the 79 Ford too. Must be important or it would not be in your handle? We had one new in 79 when our youngest girl was born. It was a 2WD super cab in Jade green. I just seen a 1979 4WD single cab in jade green on the interweb. For some odd reason I would like to have one like that from 75 thru 79. (do you have pictures?) Anyway back to reality. Yes these tractors can suck up the time and the dollars. But you have a family tractor = Priceless! Isnt it funny how these new old projects grab ahold of you and make tou work on them! The disc will look good. Yes check Agri-fab. I seen a lot of disks in there catalog a while back. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 2:07pm
| Chris I have been driving Fords since the start. My first vehicle was a 1979 F150 that my dad gave me when I turned 16. I still have it and drive it, I'll be 30 in Jan. I've also had a 73 F100, 75 F100, 78 Bronco, (2) 79 Broncos, 1992 F150. I currently have the 79 F150( will always have that) 97 F350 Powerstroke, and a 2015 Escape. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 5:37pm
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Blake, A Ford guy! Cant be that bad! I am only 37 years older and remember and drove them when new! I haven't had any thing but Ford trucks since 1974. They have their issues just like anything mechanical. I like my 2015 F250. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 7:16pm
| I have had some success using a grease needle on those Ballpak bearings helping extend their life. Just saying |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 1:29pm
That is very good advice. I have a heavy duty IH disc that has sealed bearings and no grease fittings. I can drill a very small hole in the steel seal shield. Pump grease in with a needle point,cover hole with silicone gasket maker in the evening back to discing in the morning. I don't know a thing about the AC ballpak bearing except expensive and hard to find. So may not work as well on the AC, but on mine I use my hand to feel if any are warmer than the rest. Warm ones get greased,much less work than changing.
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Posted By: Alvin M
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 2:14pm
| I Rebuilt Them I Use Two Triple Sealed Brgs |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 6:04pm
Received both of these NOS blades from Sandy Lake today. Now I'll know for sure exact measurements I'm looking for to get replacement blades(there wasnt enough NOS for a set). 
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 7:41pm
Removed hitch and had a buddy of mine weld up the wore out holes and redrill them. Also came across 3 NOS bearings. I took one old one apart today. Bearing feels good but sounds dry. Hopefully I can get some grease in it and put it back in. Also bought a big bag of bolts and nuts from Rural King over the weekend lol.  
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 8:06pm
| Blake there was a purpose for that small disc on the back gangs. It's to level the ground back, that the inside disc next to it made if you didn't have the little on on the back gang. I wonder what in the world the previous owner was doing with it to tear those front discs up like that? Anyway, it's looking good and will be better when finished. Leon |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 10:00pm
| I would have the bal pac bearing. Also all kinds of disc parts.Call 785-353-2392 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:29pm
Not much progress today cost myself money mostly. Found 2 NOS bearings by theirselves online. I pushed one into a shell today. The WD wheel felts like in another post would not work for me and I ordered 4($31).I greased them up good and finally got them in. It made everything so tight I couldn't turn the side bushings with it in a vice using vice gripes to try and turn it. Took those back out filled void full of grease and installed the outer seals. I've never had a proper seal driver and never had a problem installing seals until today. I bought 6 seals I ruined 4 of them(and they ain't to cheap).
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:40pm
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Buy some cut offs of pvc pipe at HD, as many sizes as they have. They usually have some cut to a couple feet. Cut a piece off for whatever size seal you are driving and you have a bunch of spare seal drivers left over. It's hard to mess up a seal with a plastic pipe. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:44pm
| Good idea. I'll look around this weekend for some. I also got the other front gang apart today. 2 locked up bearings....ugh. I'm already in this disc over 1,000. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:26pm
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yeah Blake, it doesn't take long to get in the wallet. But it's a labor of love and priceless. There is a thread on building the bearings, but it's not OEM. It's worth the watch though. LOTS of pics if I remember right. Looking good though!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 8:23am
Well I have both front gangs back together finally. New blades, bolts, 4 new bearings.  
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 8:27am
It was a mess when I first brought it home. 
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 9:06am
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That's coming along nicely! |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 11:55am
I don't think I have any choice but to carefully cut these off. I don't believe these are real furrow eradicators anyway. Look nothing like the ones in the parts book.  
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 12:54pm
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Blake, That front gang is new and ready to go! Great job bringing this set of discs back into working order. That weld on the rear looks pretty good. Not all goobered up like some things we have seen. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 2:03pm
Went out today and straightened and adjusted all the front scrapers. I need one each of #5 in the picture for the right and left. Left #70331450. Right #70331449. I also need 3 rear scrapers. (2) left #703211851. (1) right #703211850.     [IMG]uploads/3175/20200119_133856
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 5:55am
| I have lots of disc parts.Bearing,scrapers,disc,shafts,etc. 785-353-2392 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 3:08pm
Found some good used ones from L&L Parts in Minnesota and some NOS ones from Sandy Lake Implement in Pennsylvania. 
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 6:50pm
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Blake, Nice shot of the 79 Ford also! I still want something like that for some reason? Sandy Lake is a good place. The disc is coming together. Are you going to paint it too? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 10:36am
Here's what I have for ridge reducers on my Snap-Couler #109 disc. I've got them on both sides on the rear gang. They are bolted on and appear to be OEM. It was like this when I bought it. Right side...  |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 1:22pm
| Brian those are correct by the parts book. Mine are not except for the parts to the scrapers. Somebody welded these on. I'm cutting them off tommorrow if weather is good. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 6:17pm
It's coming along just fine and other than the pics being too big, this thread is great. I wish I had a 200 series instead of the 100 that I do have. The front end lifts off the ground when I raise the disk. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 1:13pm
Well I got the makeshift eradicators cut off today. What a pain in the butt. Looks a lot better. Very wet out today but I decided to make a few passes in a grassy area. Looks like the new 18" notched blades on the front will cut just fine. They are 1 3/4 concavity. Little more than original but after walking back and looking through the ground the brush and grass was chopped very well. Now on to rebuilding the back gangs...    
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2020 at 4:08pm
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Just curious, but what size tires do you have on that disc? I've got a SC pull-type disc also, but it's in need of major repairs. Figured I'd get it on its' feet first so I can move it around. It belonged to my father-in-law but I saved it from the scrappers. I believe its a #215 disc with wings. But I'm sure the wheels and tires would be the same as yours.
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Posted By: number1trotter
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2020 at 5:54pm
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what did you use to tighten the gangs? i have a200 series and the only thing i can figure out how to hold the shaft isa spanner wrench which i cannot find. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2020 at 6:57pm
| The tires are 215/75/14 and seem to have worked out just right. To tighten the gangs I used a large pipe wrench on the end backing plate to hold it still. After I snugged it up some everything quit spinning and it tightened up. I tightened the nut with a 1 1/2 wrench. I ordered some more NOS parts today for the hose support. I'll post pics when I get them in. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2020 at 8:01pm
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Blake, That disc is going to work the 45! The results of your efforts are looking very good to bring this back! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 2:17pm
Received more NOS parts today. I need 1 more of #70328466. Don't mind the dog's flamingo in the top left.... Lol. 
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 8:06am
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Okay, I'll bite. What is the purpose of part #70328466? Does it fit into the end of the spring for some reason?
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 8:52am
Yep that's correct. Hopefully I can find one more somewhere.
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 2:01pm
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I feel like I been down this road before.....lol Got the back gangs apart today. All bearings good but one. Anybody need the old blades?   
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 2:26pm
All the bearing assemblies for the rear gangs are back together now. Now just a few parts left to find and it will be a 100% complete disc and I'm never doing this again.... lol. I have all the bearing proctectors but I want them to all be in the condition like these 4 I have. The rest are very worn. 
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 2:46pm
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Blake, I believe I understand about not wanting to do that again!:) I have taken on a few of those types of projects also! My guess is that when your discing with this, it will be pure joy for you! Now your getting close to when you might clean and paint it? Is that on the list too! Nice job getting all the parts freshened and ready to assemble! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 3:11pm
| Yep, I'll get it ready for a paint job this spring sometime when the weather turns nice. I'll take some better pics of what decals are left and see if I can find some or have them made. I just ordered an old disc brochure last night maybe it will have some good pics of decals in it. I am for sure ready to use it later on this year. Tractor probably won't get a good paint job this year but I am going to go ahead and paint the hood and fenders so they aren't primer grey anymore lol. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 8:45am
| Very nice work. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 7:12pm
Got this brochure in mail today. Pretty neat.   
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 10:06pm
| you have came a long way with it but it will still be cheaper than a new disc |
Posted By: Meanolallis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 6:08am
| Do you have a part number /source for the blades you’re using? |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 3:22pm
| The blades came from Agri Supply. The fronts are notched 18" #80330. I'm going to order the rears from there as well. Smooth 18" #25740. Both are 1 3/4 concavity. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 6:41pm
| Well I haven't messed with the disc in a little while but.......in the morning I'm going to buy another one...lol. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 1:41pm
Well here is what I came home with...lol. I haven't checked it out yet to see what all is good. I'll be parting it out and using parts on the other one I have and storing up what is left. 
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 2:23pm
Good deal to have parts since the bearings are not available. Did the summer shade protect the tires so they hold air, as good as they look in the picture. I know just because the part showing is looking good means nothing on tires.
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 7:53pm
Tires are not the greatest but they did air up. Wheels are rusted out around valve stem. This one has 15" wheels. The other one has 14" wheels. 
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Posted By: Don Jr NY
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 4:16am
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Looks to good to part out. You better save another one! I love those old discs. I have five of them. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 8:20am
| I'll be saving and selling all the good parts on this one. Been a very expensive project. I'm coming up on 3,000 with the other one. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 5:18pm
I've been buying up more NOS stuff...lol.
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 1:26pm
Haven't made much progress lately. Finally had a weekend without rain and started taking apart the parts disc. 
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Posted By: Keith M
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 1:18am
| You’ve done a great job. Are you planning on painting the frame? Just curious. I’m in process of rebuilding a JD disc for neighbor. All the spacers and scrappers are yellow with green frame. Did AC have a similar paint scheme or were they just orange all the way through. I’ve never seen an AC disc in good enough shape to know. Most everyone around here used IH disc and the big $$ guys had JD lol. I have pull type JD disc that needs serious TLC but as teen it was a cutting son of a gun. I got it for scrap price when the owner passed away along with culti-packer that had wooden blocks for bearings. Have a piece of oak I had sawed to replace them when I get better and find time. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 5:19pm
| Thanks. Both of the ones I have seem to be solid orange. On one wheels are cream and the other wheels are orange. I will probably paint everything orange except the blades and the wheels I will paint cream. I watched an old Allis film on youtube and the disc in it had black wheels... |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 7:26pm
Well I got the wheels painted on the disc. This thing is gonna look great when I get it done finally.  
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Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 3:42pm
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That is starting to look awesome. Keep up the good work. ------------- |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 10:30am
I put the back gangs together with the best blades I had and disced dad's garden with it a couple weeks ago. Still getting new rear blades when I can. Finally found a hose support and it should arrive sometime next week. I don't think there will be a better 211 around when I get done with it.  
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 10:33am
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