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Topic: Trump abandons Kurdish Allies
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Subject: Trump abandons Kurdish Allies
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 7:16pm


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/07/us-to-let-turkish-forces-move-into-syria-abandoning-kurdish-allies" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/07/us-to-let-turkish-forces-move-into-syria-abandoning-kurdish-allies



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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 7:34pm
Trump gets us out, and the tardies complain.  If he called for more troops, they would still complain.  At least with this option, US troops are out of harm's way.  them people have been killin each other for time immemorial., Gets US outta their sausage grinder.  You could always volunteer, tranny!Wink

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 7:37pm
Time will tell if this works or not.. But we cant stay there FOREVER... We have been in Germany , Korea and Japan FOREVER.... Its about time the ALLIES STEPPED UP !... Turkey is part of NATO.... Saudi and UAE are both in the area and starting to deal with Terrorist in THEIR BACK YARD... Lets see how they do without a BABY SITTER.

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:37pm
They have been fighting for hundreds of years. Trammy, how long should we sacrifice American lives for THEIR WAR? Do you think another 100 years will get it done? And Trammy, whose side should we take? Our NATO ally or the Kurds?

If this doesn't fit our founding fathers thoughts on staying out of foreign entanglements I don't know what does.

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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 9:58pm
After breaking our word on protecting Kurds, who is going to be willing to help us in the future?

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/4-reasons-america-trump-should-support-kurdish-independence/" rel="nofollow - https://www.conservativereview.com/news/4-reasons-america-trump-should-support-kurdish-independence/


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:04pm
Wasn't my word. They keep poking the bear they may get mauled, they being both Turkey and the Kurds and that can apply to anyone else. Demoncraps have been nothing but posers, pretending to be antiwar but never passing up a good blood bath.

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Posted By: pinball
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 10:13pm
personally I would draw all troops from Germany or any country that doesn't want to pay us for the military support or unless they support us militarily. we have spent millions of dollars, loss of American lives all because our stupid congress people keep trying to buy there support. Germany is the biggest benefactor. Palestine is getting a lot of money to buy weapons so they can fight us. when is it going to stop. look at Afghanistan. Russia couldn't win and we wont either. you cant win a war when you let other people dictate what you can do. didn't work in nam or korea. course nam fooled all since they have turned mostly to the west now. when we got into ww2 there wasn't anyone telling us what to do. our allies stood fast with us and we all know what happened. Ronald regan took down the berlin wall but germany still doesn't support us. they want our money and troops for sure. time to get out of there. as far as the kurds giwe should give them the military hardware they need. they are capable of taking care of there business. they wanted to do several thing but john carey said no as did Hillary and Obama. a lot of people voted for trump cause he said he would gt us out of these places. I agree period. it all needs to be revamped in our favor. not theres


Posted By: Animal Cracker
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 2:54am
Just another hate and rage  Drive by the poster. Maybe he can tell us what it cost to keep 50 soldiers there. The kurds have been pushing for there state and the only way they get one is help from us. Pretty much the same as letting illegals in this country and letting them be citizens. And in case you forgot Tammy    ..!,.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 5:48am
Frankly, if I was your c-in-c, I'd pull 100% of the troops and bring them ALL back home. New posting would be the ol' Southern Boarder, where they are truly needed.

If you don't like that then...either
renounce your American citizenship and go fight for YOUR allie  the Kurds....
or....
declare is IS a WAR, then carpet bomb the entire country of Turkey (or whoever is the opposition).

War is an all or nothing proposition, there is NO 'middle ground'.



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Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 6:48am
My question is how long are we supposed to stay there, are we going to operate a base for eternity.  Give the Kurds all the weapons etc they need and let them defend themselves.


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:09am
Originally posted by Trinity45 Trinity45 wrote:

My question is how long are we supposed to stay there, are we going to operate a base for eternity.  Give the Kurds all the weapons etc they need and let them defend themselves.
And here enters the question, do we arm the enemy of our ally. Our NATO ally is Turkey. They are a member of NATO and therefore are considered our ally. Or do we arm the Kurds, who are also supposed to be our ally. Right now I'd bet we are arming both sides. The Kurds and Turks have continually been at each other's throats for hundreds of years and today they are still terrorizing each other daily and then the neocons and neoliberals want to have our troops stuck in the middle of that!!

The neocon and neolibs can tell us why we should arm both sides and then keep our troops in the middle..... just for something to do? Who thinks the Kurds are any better? They cut heads off too and will and do kill children in the same way the so-called White Helmets did, by removing their heads. The Turks are no different and given the chance either side would betray us if it was to their advantage. Our founders were right 243 years ago and they are still right today.


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:12am
This MIGHT be a good time for the KURDS and the TURKS who are BOTH US ALLIES to stop fighting each other and come to the table and settle their differences peacefully... They BOTH have common enemies in ISIS and Syria.... Why fight each other ?

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:17am
Their hate for each other goes back centuries so, although a good thought, it ain't gonna happen.


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:42am
Pretty well the standard function of Demoturds, if choose to Stay, Whine spending too much, killing all our beloved troops, pull out and defeating our allies while being cowards, do nothing and the same AZZholes scream sitting on hands. PICK ONE, and CANNOT have the others as options.


Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:56am
More than 11,000 Kurds died fighting ISIS, under the impression that the US would protect them from Turkey and Syria when ISIS was defeated.   And their reward was having the rug pulled out from under them by this latest change of policy.

Trump got rolled by Erdogan.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 8:01am
WE are NOT the world's Police to stand and fight THE World's battles, just ask ANY Flower Power wielding Demoturd as they use that Basic Attitude ALL THE TIME. Then look to the Turks, they have to live there as do the Kurds, if they make peace they can BOTH exist and defeat the ISIS, the two of THEM need to work this out as WE do not belong there anymore.


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 8:25am
Hey Trammy, the Kurds accept volunteers!


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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 10:05am
And they are not racist!

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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 12:35pm
The turds always have an answer. Right, wrong, or indifferent,  they got the answer to everything...Gimme a break..

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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 12:53pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict_%281978%E2%80%93present%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict_(1978%E2%80%93present)

I triple dog dare anyone to go through the wiki above, analyze it in detail, and come back here to offer a solution to the conflict. My thinking is it can't be done. I also don't believe there is anything the US is going to accomplish there that is worth the life or limb(s) of your kid or mine. In my view, nothing in the middle east is.

The only reason I can think of for being there is an attempt to avoid another 9/11 attack......which we have mostly been able to do from here. For far less cost, we could accomplish much the same thing as our military is doing if we banned entry into this country from anyone in the region.

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 1:41pm
Syria is a cluster FK... 4 MILLION people have flooded the border into TURKEY... Turkey is going to take over the northern half of the county and send the Syrians back into that area.. If they take over the entire country and get rid of Hussad is up to him... Kurds could be a big part of the Neutral Zone if they would talk to TUrkey... But like mentioned above, I think everyone over there prefers to FIGHT FOREVER...
 
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Syria insisted it would defend itself against any Turkish assault. Damascus, however, was unable to prevent Turkey taking control of a swathe of northwestern Syria earlier in the war.

Russia, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's strongest foreign ally, said it was not told in advance by Washington or Turkey about any agreements to pull U.S. troops from the northeast, adding it was watching the situation very closely.

Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Russia's security council on Tuesday where Syria was discussed.

"Participants of the meeting have noted that, at this stage, it was important for everyone to avoid any action that could create obstacles to a peaceful settlement in Syria," the Kremlin said on its website. Iran, another Assad ally, voiced opposition to any Turkish operation in Syria.

Germany and Britain expressed concern about Turkey's plans for military action.

Turkey, which hosts 3.6 million Syrian refugees, plans to resettle two million refugees in northern Syria. Turkey's lira lost 2% of its value against the dollar to hit its weakest since early September, but edged off its lows to 5.8195 on Tuesday.


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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 2:20pm


Trammy what do you think of the 70 Demoncraps who wanted to impeach Trump before the Mueller report even came out???

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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 9:47pm
Oh, now I see that Trump has said it was because the Kurds didn’t do anything to help us in WW2.

“They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.”

That’s from ‘Business Insider’.


Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 9:54pm
Tram, you should do a better job on your research regarding Kurdish history. They are not all the same tribe. They are not what the media has fed us the last few decades.


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Posted By: JC(WI)
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:22am
NG, "Trammy what do you think of the 70 Demoncraps who wanted to impeach Trump before the Mueller report even came out???"
 Notice Tammie didn't say a word about his golden elite club members.   What a hind teet sucker he is. 


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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 5:54am
“NG, "Trammy what do you think of the 70 Demoncraps who wanted to impeach Trump before the Mueller report even came out???"
Notice Tammie didn't say a word about his golden elite club members.   What a hind teet sucker he is. ”

Oh, that’s their prerogative.   

What do you think about the GOP Senators who say they would vote ‘no’ on conviction if it got that far??


Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:00am
Maybe Trump thinks that Turkey was on the beaches with us at Normandy...


Posted By: JC(WI)
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:01am
Their 'prerogative' to fight the sitting president on border wall issues and telling the United States of America's citizens that they don't give a she~hit about them as long as the illegals can come in through open borders... running drugs that kill, running contraband ... human trafficking, letting in diseases etc., etc., etc.
  What did those 'prerogatives' swear an oath to??? To the people of the United States or to the Devil???
Guess the oath of office means nothing... Specially when the presidents all before this sitting president (and many politicians) all were for building border walls and securing the States from being infiltrated by ILLEGALS of ALL KINDS.  But non of them remembered after the election was over and back to business as usual, of screwing YOU... and being charitable to other countries and taxing your arse even more and running debts up like drunkin swine.   Hog wallowing in the muddy money pit to line their pockets... 
  Do you know why all of a sudden you have so much more stupid blather today??? It is because the liberal left dimocrap and their co-hearts, the major media, are feeding you   the crap to take the attention off the HUNTER that is related to their next hopeful president Blow-A-hole-thru--the-door- Joe Bite-me Biden. Yea, that piece of crap that was on a board of a gas company in Ukraine and on a board in China  and really had no business being in either one. He was just there sucking up money just like so many others do, from relatives in higher places...  Yea... hunter was legal to be on them... ahh.... not really but what ever New York Slime says should make it right, right? LOL more propaganda... only thing is, the bull crap keeps piling up on those that keep token the load and when it comes down, so will all the others under it. Profitteering from the corruption of someone...

 In essense, NO, it was NOT their prerogative to impeach a president no matter what YOU think. 
 and since you are supporting the real problem, you are part of the problem this country  is having.  Border wall and all... right down to your party's attempted coup... 
 Yea, you can tease yourself like old Markie Malarkie did, but bottom line is your party is scared of Donald Trump because he has not wavered in 30 years of telling others what is wrong with this country... and it stems from the politicians. and the do-nothing-turds are the big part of the swamp in DC.... Do nothing as in do nothing good... except line their pockets.     Who was it that had only 1 1/2 mill of assets 11 years ago and now laid out 15 million on a summer cottage?  or a socialist that has never had a real job has 3 ocean front mansions??? or some pisserloosie' husband gets a government contract and makes millions??????????? and the list goes on. Wake up. FOOL!!!


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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:03am
“Tram, you should do a better job on your research regarding Kurdish history. They are not all the same tribe. They are not what the media has fed us the last few decades.”

Regardless of the Kurdish history, they were our best ally in fighting against ISIS. But that means nothing to Trump, who has no hotels in that region.


Posted By: JC(WI)
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:12am
What are you smokin these days???  Some liberalized government grass?


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:14am
The Kurds hate ISIS and so do we.. We teamed up to defeat ISIS.... That does not mean we are going to help them forever.... WE "teamed" up with Russia during WWII for a similar reason..
 
Just like Palestine, the KURDS can stop the fighting at any time and TALK to Turkey about a peaceful resolution.......... But they don't want that.


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:41am
The Turks hate ISIS as well, if the Kurds wish to make peace with Turkey then THEY need to talk, NOT sit behind less than ONE THOUSAND US Troops as a shield. This has been so blown out of proportion, is NOT Thousands of Troops playing guard on the Kurds, LESS THAN One Thousand, mostly as trainers and oversight.


Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:06am
Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

“NG, "Trammy what do you think of the 70 Demoncraps who wanted to impeach Trump before the Mueller report even came out???"
Notice Tammie didn't say a word about his golden elite club members.   What a hind teet sucker he is. ”

Oh, that’s their prerogative.   

What do you think about the GOP Senators who say they would vote ‘no’ on conviction if it got that far??


Since asking about crimes or dirt like the fake news calls it is not an impeachable offence, it makes sense.

Their prerogative???? Show me rules or laws supporting their prerogative!

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:26am
Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

“Tram, you should do a better job on your research regarding Kurdish history. They are not all the same tribe. They are not what the media has fed us the last few decades.”

Regardless of the Kurdish history, they were our best ally in fighting against ISIS. But that means nothing to Trump, who has no hotels in that region.
Bull

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:30am
The Kurds were attacking Turkey constantly, they also took towns in Syria and Iraq at the point of a gun and drove non Kurds off their land. They take Christian towns and kill all who wouldn't convert. I didn't promise them a damned thing and they deserve nothing from me. Trammy, I did hear they take volunteers but you better hurry, they're being smashed as we speak. Thumbs Up

And don't get confused that I would support Turkey, I don't care as long as we don't get involved in THEIR civil war.



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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 5:29pm
Funny how tranny and his ilk elected bummer to get us out of the middle east, he came and went, continuously killin more people , and never got us out.  Trump is elected, gets us out, and still tranny complains.  Does anyone else see the 180º turn in logic, that tranny has made?Wink

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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 5:42pm
So both the Democrats and the Republicans are concerned about Trump's drawing the few troops we had with the Kurds out. Well instead of all of this talk about Impeaching everyone besides Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and Attorney General Barr,why doesn't Congress declare war like they used to! This joint resolution business is not getting the job done as far as winning wars!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 5:47pm
If the KURDS don't want this, then WHY don't they talk to Turkey and solve this once and forall.............. BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT PEACE... They just want the US to back them up forever while they keep this sh*t up.
 
And TURKEY is not innocent either... But they have 4 MILLION ILLEGALS in their country that need to GO HOME and they should NOT have to keep them in Turkey.


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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 6:22pm
Exactly, Turkey told Europe it's either this or they are sending the 3 million plus ISIS fighters to Europe's doorstep.



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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 6:26pm
And Syria offered peace to the Kurds and protection from Turkey, as it was before Obummer got involved and the Kurds thumbed their nose at the deal.

Now the stupid Kurds sent their main fighting force out to fight in the open, an environment made for tanks, and they have no tanks. Meanwhile Turkey sent 1000 tanks in. How stupid are the Kurds?

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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 6:35am
Is it accurate that the Kurds didn't help the United States at the Normandy landings in June of 1944? Yes, it sure is. You know where else they didn't help us? Bunker Hill. Saratoga. Antietam. Gettysburg. Vicksburg. The Argonne Forest. Kasserine Pass. The Bulge. Okinawa. Iwo Jima. Chosin Reservoir and Hamburger Hill and Hue.

You know who else didn't help us at any of those places? Turkey. Yet somehow, Turkey gets a pass and the Kurds do not.

For the record, the Kurds DID help us in World War II, if by "us" you accept the anti-Axis coalition including the United Kingdom. Kurdish fighters fought with the British Commonwealth forces in Greece, Italy, and North Africa, as well as against a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq itself. They did their share, even if they did not fight directly alongside American troops.


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 7:35am
So Tramway you have sounded off about the Kurds let me ask you about Trump sending troops to Saudia Arabia? My belief is no coalition with other nations we get out or don't get involved! The idea that America can be the world's policeman is wrong. We don't have public support for these incursions anymore.3,000 Americans died on 9/11 and people have forgotten or don't care. Just like the border,let em all in and have no respect for those that came here legally!You Democrats like to accuse Trump of the very crimes we know you Democrats have committed!


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 7:43am
Agree K, the world DESPISES us for entering to be the Street Cop, we need to stop where they can beat on each other until they destroy each other. We do not need to send our men and women into frays as this, they do not need to die there and if the world's supply of oil stops flowing we just hunker down here with our own and leave them have their New World Order or Chaos or Disorder, whatever they wish. BUILD the DAMN Wall keep them OUT of Here.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 8:55am
You know who else didn't help us at any of those places? Turkey. Yet somehow, Turkey gets a pass and the Kurds do not.
 
What a MORON... Who cares about TURKEY ?... Kurds want OUR HELP which is refused.. Turkey has NOT ASKED FOR OUR HELP in THEIR PROBLEMS... So who cares what past Wars they were in... THATS NOT THE  PROBLEM !!  KURDS want us to FIGHT THEIR BATTLE.. TURKEY has asked for NOTHING.


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Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 6:50pm
My take on this is the idiots in congress will not let the military leader run the show so there is no way to win any of the wars we've been in since WWII, I spent 18 month in nam  and every time we would find Charlie had to ask some asshole who was to scared to be on the front line what we could do or not do what a bunch of and by the time they would get back to us it was to late.
  Now for this Kurdish thing every time that the USA pull out we leave behind people who help us and it'll be that why no matter what war or police keeping that the idiots in Washington decides to put our warriors in harm way.
 


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 6:59pm
OK, offer any Kurds living in the USA ( you know, the one's crying on TV about the 'situation back HOME...)., FREE plane ticket, to go back HOME and fight. I'd even supply an AK47 and 1,000 rounds , jus to help them get off on the right foot...


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 7:40pm
Well TODAY they KURDS and the Syrian Army have decided they have a COMMON enemy in Turkey Military..... So they switch sides and work TOGETHER to fight TURKEY... YEP... nobody wants PEACE.. they just want to fight  EVERYONE.

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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 8:14pm
sounds like another CIA cluster. foment rage on all sides, and encourage arms sales everywhere.
JFK was right, when said he wanted to 'smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, and scatter them to the winds'.


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Posted By: Rich-MN
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 8:21pm
I thought that the muslims were not supposed to kill other muslims....so much for the so called religion of  peace/pieces.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 8:42pm
YEA............ they been killing EVERYONE they see for 5000 years... WHY STOP NOW ??

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 9:38pm
The Kurds want an ethno state and had been cleansing people from there homes and farms being especially tough on Christians. They are also Communists. I dont care how they helped out soldiers or for what reason, they were a tool and so were our soldiers. Bring them home.

I agree with the above sentiment about the CIA. They caused a lot of our troubles in the Middle East AND they are trying to overthrow our government as we speak! Disband the CIA.

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Posted By: Animal Cracker
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

sounds like another CIA cluster. foment rage on all sides, and encourage arms sales everywhere.
JFK was right, when said he wanted to 'smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, and scatter them to the winds'.
Look were that got him.


Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2019 at 10:22pm
It is way more complicated than the media would lead you to believe. 

If we are fighting with the Kurds, that means we would be at war with Turkey. So you think it's a good idea to go to war with Turkey, a NATO member. Because if you do, all the other NATO members are obligated by NATO to fight for Turkey. 

The Democrats in the House right now are wanting to vote for some sort of armed conflict for the Kurds, but they have run into problems. They know, as stated above, that they open a whole can of worms making some sort of war declaration for the Kurds and against Turkey. And even if they vote to send troops to Sierra, Trump is the Commander-in -Chief, and troops won't go anywhere without Trump saying so.

Isis has pretty much been defeated militarily, so we have no other business there. There is no objective for the US. I hate that people are dying there, but it's really none of our business.  


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2019 at 10:55pm
Now the KURDS are teamed up with the SYRIAN Army... They are backed by Russia..... Turkey is in NATO, but they have been warming up to RUSSIA this past year and buying weapons from them........ so now WHO DOES RUSSIA BACK ???
 
Moral to the story is that this middle east area is a CLUSTER FK... always has been, always will be.


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Posted By: Animal Cracker
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 3:42am
How much money should we waste there. I don't see any skinny soldiers. That place is a joke. yesterday,today,and tomorrow. I thought the Kurds were from northern Iraq.  And there last plite was  in Iraq.  Look around what do see in these places,nothing. Well the answer is underground. How much land would you what to hold on to.


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:34am
The only reason we were ever there was for Israel. I know that seems to piss people off when I say that but it is true. Israel was getting more than 75% of their oil from the Kurds and getting at less than half price. Israel was staging missile attacks from the Kurdish held areas against Syria and Israel needs chaos in order to complete the settlements of Israelis in Palestine and in the distant future, settlements into the greater Israel. Without chaos the Arabs might unite and they may even unite with the Persians. To me I don't have a dog in that fight except the government steals my money to foment it. I don't subscribe to the view that the Jews are any longer the Chosen and I don't think most in Israel are true Jews. So if I don't support it in thought or by religion, then why am I forced to support it with my money? Israel can make peace if they want to, first by stopping the settlements and second by being strong militarily. They already stole are technology to be strong militarily. Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the radical Muslims but I take the Ron Paul approach to that situation. Let Israel handle it and they can lay in whatever bed they make for themselves and no American should have to sacrifice their blood and fortune for it. And anybody that wants to help out Israel, feel free, start by writing personal checks and you can check to see if they'll accept you or your children or your grandchildren into their military ...... you know, like Rahm Emanuel did. Which he really did. As much as I dislike him, that is putting your money and your life where your mouth is.

Oh and Russia is going to do what is good for Russia. If they think it benefits them they'll help the Kurds and as soon as it doesn't they'll drop them, like every other country that isn't run by banksters.

The Kurds are commies and that's why the left loves them and they ignore the cutting off of heads done by the them, the cleansing of Christians and Jews from the territory held by them, the terrorist bombing they do to civilians in Turkey and so on and so forth. The neocons are in it for the money and they sell it to Christians in this country as our duty to defend Israel..... well Israel is in for a world of hurt as long as they are turned from God and that is a fact that none of us can stop.


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