Gleaner L3 beans wrapping
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Topic: Gleaner L3 beans wrapping
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Subject: Gleaner L3 beans wrapping
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 10:17am
Hello, I cant quite remember if I have asked this question on here before. I have an L3 that keeps having issues trying to wrap beans back around on the bottom/return side of the first set of rattle chains. so bad that i could only go about 50 feet in tall 60 bushel beans last year, pulled my hair out enough i finished with my old F on the 11th of January right before that big snow storm hit us in northeast MO. I've researched and also realized my combine does NOT currently have this "Concave Extension" the book says its good for wet stems, and the last two years have been pretty moist harvests. I also came across a chat on the Combine Forum where someone said to take that concave extension OUT for green stems.. Pretty confused on what to do. This will be my third harvest with it this year. I am going to build one of these if you all think it will help, looking at the picture it HAS to help. Looking for experienced input on the matter using beans, also opinion on that door that swings down right after this, mine is in the fully up position.(I've crawled in on my head dozens of times too many the last two years to dig the stems out!! HELP!! lol) Thank you
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Replies:
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 10:28am
| In the Fall of 1998, I removed one of those in the field because the Customer was having constant plugging/wrapping issues. Problem immediately went away. You need to install a speed-up sprocket on the left side of the cylinder that drives the thresher beater. You also need good sharp cylinder bars and set the cylinder down tighter to chew up the tough bean straw better. You also need to remove (or tie up) the swinging steel curtain above the rear raddle. This is important !! Tie up or better yet remove that steel curtain !!!! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 12:29pm
| Agree with Doc....probably the thing hurting most is that beater behind cylinder running too slow. Makes a HUGE difference!Keep sprocket if you need to run wheat. |
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 2:46pm
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So the faster thresher beater should throw it further so it wont land on the first set of chains? I put new cylinder bars from Abilene Machine in last year and have ran maybe 80 acres through it was all. Do you happen to know the part number for the speed up sprocket? (I have a parts catalog for an L but lots of differences i guess to an L3) I'm willing to try anything at this point. Think I am going to get new :Lower rattle Chain :Rattle chain slip clutch :Speed up sprocket for thresher beater :Thresher beater slip clutch Hopefully these and properly adjusted will work. Now my only issue is my beans are late and i plan on custom cutting for a neighbor so test run will be in his field when its already GO TIME! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 4:17pm
| Standard drive sprocket is 18 teeth. Speed-up sprocket is 25 teeth and p/n is 71132389. Don't be afraid to set the cylinder down a little tighter and run the speed fast enough you see cracked beans, then slow it down a little from that point. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 8:57pm
| Make sure torque sincere is in good shape and greased on cylinder belt. A little slippage on cylinder belt will cause same problem. MACK |
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 3:18pm
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I counted the teeth and it already has a 25 tooth speed up sprocket, I entered that part number and found on another website of a 30 and 35 teeth sprockets, would those be too fast? I'm beginning to wonder if my cylinder is slowing down like you say MACK, the combine always seems to act like it builds up a bunch, then bunch gets pulled through and under load at once... Something isn't quite right and I'm not familiar enough yet to figure it out! a really big farmer used to own this combine back in the day and I've herd stories of this machine cutting green stemmed beans and the ground looking like a freshly mowed yard behind it. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 3:22pm
| Watch your tachometer for the cylinder speed. It will stay steady or actually gain a bit under load if the torque sensor sheaves are working properly with NO GREASE film on the belt or pulleys. Belt on the cylinder must have 1/8" between all spring coils on the tensioner !!!!! |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 9:24pm
| Make sure you are counting teeth on cylinder sprocket not beater sprocket. MACK |
Posted By: gleaner1
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 7:32am
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Iast season my L3 had wrapping issues as well. Although it was the first time doing beans. Was wrapping around the beater itself. So much that it would bend the heck out of the stripper plate between it and the cylinder. Well I reinforced the heck out of that. My L3 does not have chain and sprockets driving the beater. It’s twin belts. I believe it’s a late 1983. ------------- ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange" |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 11:21pm
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tie up the swinging curtain. i drill a hole to put a long bolt in backwards with a nut or inside and one on outside. installed it when curtain was up. cured my problems but agree about speeding up the feeder beater! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: gleaner1
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 11:34am
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All along we’ve been told according to the gleaner manuals to only raise curtain for corn only? ------------- ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 11:42am
| Corn for sure and tough soybeans. In my area where there are no oats or wheat and only corn/beans, they are all REMOVED. Adverse conditions sometimes require different settings/adjustments. |
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 9:31am
 
I was counting the correct sprocket, and the steel curtain was already bolted up when i bought the combine. I have new raddle chain on the way, and a 30T sprocket on the way as well. I also dropped the concave out and it looked to be pretty worn, this years budget wouldn't allow me to purchase a new one so i am welding it up myself and grinding the face and top back smooth. Spent about 6 hours welding yesterday and plan to do more then lots of grinding. Hoping for good results in the field
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 9:35am
| Be careful doing that !! You might have it bowed when you get done !! All that weld may pull it low in the center. |
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 9:49am
| I have only been welding one bar and beed at a time and by the time i start over i can touch it with my bare hand. I've also been using a straight edge because the center was much lower then the outter edges, bringing the center back up to the edges is all i am doing then grinding it smooth. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 12:00pm
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Make sure that the gauges on the side of cylinder housing are accurate. Get the cylinder down til it ticks when turning by hand. Set gauges at zero. Double check by actually measuring both sides and middle clearance. Run 1/4 inch clearance, around 700 rpm give or take maybe even faster if needed, fan nearly wide open and in beans I set the chaffer and sieve pretty close to book settings. I also put new springs in feeder beater slip clutch and added two more. Had 4 springs to start and there is room for 8 but 6 worked good for me. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 6:38pm
Dr, I am only familiar with an "A", "f" and "F2" series, the OP posted a picture of something I am unfamiliar with pertaining to his "L" series. Is the threshing area between the F series and the M/L series a completely different "animal" ? Sorry for my ignorance
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DrAllis wrote:Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:11pm
| Open concave on L &M. Look in parts book |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 7:21pm
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As was said, L & M have an open concave with a raddle underneath. That's what gives them their exclusive "3 stage separation". Gives a little more capacity, since threshed grain is able to fall through the concave. What the original poster is trying to do is keep beans from wrapping around the under side of that first raddle. That "comb-like" extension bolts to the back of the concave, and covers the raddle, so they are less inclined to wrap. Someone correct me if I'm wrong there. Note the photo. You can also see another view of the cylinder/raddle at the top of the photo, in the yellow box, although it's hard to read.  The A-F3 had the closed concave of the original Baldwin Brothers design. No raddle under the cylinder.  |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 8:02pm
| Thank you Creston, I had often heard of 2 raddle chains on the larger machines but really had no idea of what was being talked about. Are there "concave" bars in the L/M's like the smaller units? I can't tell/see in the picture. Thanks again for the info. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 8:30pm
| I'm not sure how similar the concave bars are, never looked inside anything but an L/M. I believe the concave on an L/M starts out closed, and has the open section in the rear portion of the concave, so the front bars may be similar? |
Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 10:29am
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WOW!! What a difference. After a month of gritting my teeth my beans were finally ready and got to test out the L3 after these maintenance projects. The adjustable guages were WAAYYY off, (That alone might have solved all my issues) I put my welded up concave in and new bar channel. I dropped the cylinder down till it evenly barely "ticked" when turned and zeroed them out then brought it back up to a quarter inch. Its like a whole new machine. Ill be returning the rattle chain after inspecting mine more thoroughly and realizing that its good. I thank you all for the good input and friendly help. Now my head that has never feed evenly is my next headache. It builds up then all of a sudden grabs them all at once (evey time it did this before it would plug) but now the machine just grunts and takes it. i know something isn't quite right there. Any suggestions there? its a 320 model.
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Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 10:31am
| Oh and i also built a 30T sprocket from Orschlins for the thresher beater speed up. Also sped up cylinder speed to 650rpm. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 12:50pm
Drive at an angle to the rows.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 1:06pm
| Like Tbone says....easiest way to promote feeding. You'll knock some over but pick most up on return trip. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 5:42pm
| If you move the header cross auger clear forward in the adjustment slots and raise it up off of the table floor to at least 3/4" clearance, that will greatly improve the feeding for soybeans. You will have to add a couple of half links to the drive chain, but the time spent is worth it. Reel needs to be back to the point it almost hits the auger. |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 6:07pm
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I did as the Dr. suggested on my 520 and it really helped ------------- On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's) |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 7:44pm
| A piece of 4" drain tile just behind guards will raise the beans enough for reel to kick them in, plus keep beans from rolling off sickle. MACK |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2019 at 7:03am
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"Now my head that has never feed evenly is my next headache. It builds up
then all of a sudden grabs them all at once (evey time it did this
before it would plug)" My uni was doing that in corn. The rubber flappers at the center of the header cross auger were worn down 1"+ below the auger. I replace them with ones that were 1" above the auger. Then all the rubber on the feeder chains were worn down 3/4" to 1". I replace all 20 of them. Last year it would plug up 4-6 times per ac, this year not one plug up. Plus I was able to speed up by 20%. I had hay roller belting that work, plus a easy way to cut it to fit. Just had to deal with 200+ bolts. |
Posted By: gleaner1
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 8:06am
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Seems all these Gleaner flex heads have this issue. My 322 is no different. There’s a major design flaw here. It’s a full 2 feet between knife and auger there’s no reason it should be that far. I even have the updated raised feathering sheets. I just put baler belting on my reel hanging an inch or so below reel fingers seems to help sweep them in. When in the tall beans it feeds like a dream but when in the 18” or less it’s a problem. ------------- ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 8:24am
| Get A 500 SERIES HEADER AS THAT GAP IS MUCH LESS. |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 7:20pm
| We noticed that our reel drive chain was getting too loose and when we tightened up the chain it fed a lot more even. We also had to tighten up the cylinder drive belt, too. Things worked fine in the dry beans last year, but this year's green bean stems are a bugger. |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 7:40pm
| A couple years ago we had the cylinder drive belt brake during wheat harvest. It was a Sunday and dad went to the parts store and bought two generic belts to finish up. We ordered a belt from agco but by bean harvest I forgot about it. I fought green stem bens plugging the cylinder for the first 50 acres. It was miserable. Finally dad and I were talking and he reminded me about that belt. I changed it and haven’t had a problem since. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 7:50am
Oh and I went through and stripped the head down to get at all the ball joints, which many were rusted up. I wire brushed and oiled and greased everything up so the head flexed nicely which is also a big help in feeding and cutting even. And I clean under in that area thoroughly and oil it up before putting away under cover every year.
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Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 12:38pm
| Lonn I have basically the same set up as you described. I have noticed that if you do run a slug in from the end of the header the lock washers seem to grab part of the slug and carry it over the auger so that it’s not as bad when it hits the feeder beater. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 1:06pm
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Yep and for me it turned a miserable job into mostly pleasure..... then came the R52 which I have done some things to to make it better but it was comparably a great pleasure to run from the start.... especially having the reverser. The 820 header needs just a couple of those tricks next. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 1:35pm
I have to agree completely. I plugged the feeder beater twice this year and both time I was in green butter beans where I knew better. Others than that I ran 200 acres of beans start to finish without incident. We will be shopping for a R52/62 next year |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 1:38pm
| First thing on an 800 series header is to make a slow-down drive sprocket for the 30 inch diameter auger. Unless they've slowed them down since the first ones made, they were toooooo fast. Same RPM as the 24 inch auger, but at 30 icnh diameter too fast. Another first year engineer graduate design. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 1:50pm
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Not sure what year mine is..... 2001? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 1:52pm
| Lonn I’m curious if gleaners a plentiful in Russia |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 2:00pm
| Looks like they started with 19 tooth #50 chain and then slowed it down to 17 tooth and then 16 tooth. It's been 20+ years but that sounds like about what I was making my sprocket into, a 15 or 16 tooth. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 3:30pm
 ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 3:31pm
------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |