Truck tire rotation
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Topic: Truck tire rotation
Posted By: ACinSC
Subject: Truck tire rotation
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 6:46am
| Did mine a couple days ago . Owners manual says not to put any oil/grease on studs . I put 2 drops of oil on each stud . Then torqued in sequence to 140 lbs . Wondering how you fellas do it ? Thanks |
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Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 6:58am
| Everything gets antiseize that might rust. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 7:02am
| I always use WD 40 or some kinda lube,, once they hit 140 lbs they are on there good, Don't think I'd put antizeze on wheel studs,, but just my opinion |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 7:19am
I put it on cars, trucks ,tractors, wagons for many years and never had a problem. Just did the lawnmower, before anti seize I used grease on the threads. About 65 yrs. worth of experience.
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nella(Pa) wrote:Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 7:54am
| We don't have road salt to deal with down south . I just don't like the idea of dry threads . Thanks |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 8:06am
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anti-sieze on wheel studs for 50 years, never had one problem. IF you put anitsieze on the drive pulleys of rider you CAN get them off 22 yeras later instead of cutting/grinding off $80 pulleys ! I also rotate tires in teh std X pattern contray to what 'they' say as it evens out wear. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 8:11am
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I don't rotate my tires. I figure that if I did then I would have to buy a complete set of tires at once. I'd rather buy tires in pairs. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 8:55am
I just get in and drive . . . and that rotates the tires! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 9:00am
If you don't rotate your tires you could get stuck in traffic!  ------------- |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 9:12am
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Dusty, on the newer AWD vehicles, if you ruin one tire that is worn much they will not sell you one, have to buy all four. They claim it will ruin the transfer case, went to 2 different tire stores and same thing, had to put all 4 new. Just my experience. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 9:14am
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anti-seize here for 55 years!---NEVER lost one yet! ---- As far as rotate,---I don't! -- No need to IF your front end is kept in good shape. ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 10:52am
| I think what the smart people believe(rule makers) is that lubed studs will let nuts work loose.Not so much dry. Torque figures are for DRY threads so if lubed you may want to adjust a little. Think they reason that lubed threads lead to over torque an possible breaking studs. All valid points but they have never dealt with large truck wheels which have lived on gov't treated winter highways. No antisieze and you'll need a torch. An impact wrench in the wrong hands is not a good thing. Forty years with antisieze and no failures. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 12:53pm
| Makes sense that the torque number is for dry threads . Two reasons I rotated my tires myself . One , to get a few more miles out of them . Two , I had to use a 4' cheater to loosen the lugs after it left the tire shop . Thanks |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 1:58pm
Tire shops don't believe in torque wrenches.  Just hold down on the impact wrench until the lug nut stops turning. Helps to warp the rotors so they won't last as long and they can get more brake jobs. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 2:11pm
| We usually work on Ford trucks and Ford has a lug nut with a washer made to it. If they don’t move like they should I spray them with WD-40 or PB Blaster. We will put anti seize on the hub where the brake rotors ride because we have to beat those off with a hammer. And we always torque the lug nuts. I agree with dry threads but when you have rusted studs or corroded lug nuts I think it needs a little lube to be torqued correctly. As far as rotating tires here in NC with our curvy roads the front tires will round the edges and the rears will stay square shouldered so that’s why I rotate tires although I don’t do it religiously like every 5000 miles it usually more like once or twice the lifetime of the tires. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 2:25pm
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Red Bank....... im in 100%... but I put a drop of anti sieze on the studs too... ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 2:27pm
| Dunno if the tire shop manager lied or just didn't know what he was talking about because I questioned him about overtorquing the lugs . Had a nail in the tire and that's when I had to break out the cheater bar . Just glad I was home . Thanks |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 7:52pm
| It's not thread friction that keeps them tight anyway, it's clamping force, and there is about as many opinions about this as there is hair on a dogs butt. |
Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 8:09pm
| Boys I owned a tire shop for 22 plus years. Along with that I had a service truck. I have been out along the road many times all hours of the day rescuing people who lubed up lug nuts. The cops and highway patrol all had my phone number. If people couldn't afford a tow truck, they called me. We always torqued wheels. We kept 3-5 torque wrenches at all times. Every 3 months at least 2 were sent away for calibration. Then one of our tool men came up with access to a torque wrench calibration place. He'd take them in for us and have them back the following week. We never lubed or antisezed a wheel. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 8:26pm
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I have used anti sieze for 50 years on the center hole and the studs. Never used a torque wrench, do them by hand... I got a pretty good feel for TIGHT... Never have had a problem. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 8:14am
| Thanks for all the replies . Guess I will shop around before I buy tires and see if anyone uses a torque wrench . I'll probably keep putting a couple drops of oil on the studs but back off the setting a smidge . Thanks again |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 8:41am
I have split the socket open on the tire iron that came with the truck, have rendered another tire iron useless / bent on a different vehicle, have broken a SK socket, have sheared a 6 inch extension, and have blown the head apart of a breaker bar, and of course those anti theft lugs really hold up to 4000 ft lbs, trying to take off tires after a visit to the tire store ....off the top of my head. Oh, and have had broken studs waiting for me next time I took a tire off. And to be clear, we're talking the old school tire irons, not the flimsy stamping stuff you get now days.Where I used to live, stopped in a tire store one time where they had a big window behind the counter where you could see out into the service area, and lo and behold, there was a guy using a torque wrench!!! I mentioned it to the counter guy, yep we use torque wrenches all the time. Over torqueing is bad for brake discs, bad for aluminum wheels, etc. Well, yes, I know that, but seems nobody does that. I said, you guys have my business for as long as I live here! About 2 years later, I stopped in for some tires, heard the unmistakable sound of impact wrenches. What, no more torque wrenches? Guy just looked at me funny. New Management!!! After any trip to any tire store or service where the wheels come off, I drive into my driveway, loosen all of the lugs, and tighten them with a torque wrench. That way, I know when me or worse yet the wife or daughter, get a flat in the rain at night, the tire can be changed as intended, where I don't have all the tools to use with me as I would at the farm. Huge pet peeve of mine!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 10:07am
| Kinda think part of the problem is very few guys change their own flat tires anymore . Just call for help . JMHO. Thanks |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 10:51am
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I just had new tires put on my truck. They said come back after 150 mi to have the lug nuts retorqued. Took it back and the tire guy went all around with a torque wrench. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 11:17am
| mdm, all I can say is that's way too LATE. More than one occasion I know of, one my dad, where wheels come off. That too is a result of being hasty with an impact wrench, where the wheel is not really seated flat against the hub, and you have no feel with the air wrench, so what felt like it tightened up was really just a bind and going down the road things change in a hurry. Dad's back tire passed him as he was slowing down to turn down our road. Had it been a front tire, likely would have been an accident losing control. |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 11:29pm
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I nearly lost a front wheel on my small pickup when I replaced the wheel after a flat repair. I was in a rush and only used the impact. Luckily I became aware of a slight sound when going around a curve on a street near home . I checked the wheel nuts as soon as I got home and found that they had all loosened a little. Learned my lesson and used the torque wrench. My daughter and SIL lost a front wheel when all the studs broke off while on a road trip. A mechanic that repaired their van checked the other wheels and found that they were all excessively torqued. They had had tire work done by a well known tire franchise the week before. The tire shop accepted full responsibility and paid for all their cost, towing, mechanic, hotel, meals, etc. I have only used WD-40 when taking nuts off of long studs that dirty or corroded. WD-40 is only a short term lubricant that seems to evaporate in a day or two. My usual tire shop wants us to come back for a torque after 200km (125 miles). ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 5:36am
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One 'trick' I used when I had real 4WD rides( CJ-5, Willys..), was to put 2 drops of oil into the 'solid, one piece' chrome wheel nuts. The ones that cover the studs. I never, ever had a problem getting them off or on. Nut covers 100% of the stud, oil stays in there for months if not years. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 6:51am
This dose happen, I seen a truck tractor that lost a tire on the road and caused a bad accident because of being over torqued. Then they put an air regulator in the line to control the torque.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 7:00am
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Single mother and her daughter that played travel softball with my daughter, had new tires put on her vehicle before heading out of town for our tournament. Had about a 140 mile drive. Sitting in the stands, overheard the talk about a strange noise her vehicle was making. Everyone was blowing her off, one mumbo jumbo excuse after another, so I said, this noise happened part way down here, was fine before? Yep. So after the game I drove the vehicle, slow, windows down, yep, there's a noise. Checked the lugs, virtually every lug was somewhat loose. Driver's rear was really bad, whole wheel would wiggle up on jacks, and I easily broke one of those studs, and broke another on the other side. Got everything snugged up, but I was nervous for her. Told her to take her time and keep her ears open on the way home, and she made it safely. It was a Sunday afternoon wouldn't you know. Next tournament, well.....she bought my family dinner, even though I insisted nothing was necessary!
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 9:14pm
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My '03 Dodge dually manual says to put a drop or two of oil between the nut and the flange washer that's permanently attached to it, so that when you tighten it down it's spinning on that interface instead of against the axle hub once it starts to seat. Otherwise, threads on the studs and nuts stay dry for the reasons mentioned above. I wire brush them or similar to clean them out if dirty. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 3:45am
| if any of my truck tires are taken off, they is either gittin fixed or replaced! |
Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 5:36am
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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 7:13am
| Interesting video . Thanks |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 8:38am
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Its not the anti sieze that causes the problems... The bolts have to be overtorqued or under torqued which causes them to loosen, stretch, or break..... Properly torqued bolts ( manifold / engine / pumps/ turbines / generators / and even lug nuts) will not have problems due to anti sieze. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 6:49pm
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Its not the anti sieze that causes the problems true but if you used oil or anti-seize you can`t used the torque giving in the book`s or you will over torque the stud and stretch, or break them. the torque giving on stud is base on dry stud and nuts . There are other place that they want clean tread and lite oil but not on wheel stud http://youtu.be/X3ndeXiZUeM" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/X3ndeXiZUeM In the video he show you the danger of using anti-seize on your lug nuts (with a dry torque rating) and the potential failure it can lead to. B:-) Dnoym |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 7:20pm
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re:... you can`t used the torque giving in the book There is NO mention of wheel nut torque in my '97 F150 manual ! I looked at every friggin page back in 99 when I got the truck, so I went with 100ft-lbs and it's still on the road even WITH anti-sieze.. yeesh 20 years and counting. One problem with any video or report is that unless one and ONLY one person does the service, YOU never truly KNOW what was done. I mean really, WHO keeps records of 'wheel nut torques'..date, tool used, etc. ? I'm also betting very few actually retorque nuts 50 miles down the road .... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 7:29pm
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Does anyone use the torque limiting socket extensions when using an impact wrench to tighten lug nuts? They are designed for use with an impact and will flex at a given torque and stop tightening lug. I think the torque rating is determined by the diameter and length of extension shaft. Have seen them used in a number of tire shops here. Edit; don't use lubricate on any bolts or studs nuts that are to be torqued as it allows the nut to turn with less friction in the threads and gives false torque readings. |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 8:42pm
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Overtorquing may not get you the first time done but over time the damage is cumulative. Some applications specify lubetorque but if the specifications do not call for lube it should be torqued dry or the torque value adjusted. A lot of manuals do not specify a torque value and then you should use a standard torque value for that particular size and pitch thread. Wheel studs are quite resilient and withstand a lot of abuse. Another thing to consider of self locking nuts is drag torque; it a nut does not have enough drag it should be replaced. Now that I have muddied the water I'm outa here! ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 12:53pm
| Lug torques are for clean,dry fixtures.....almost no place will give the fasteners that kind of attention.... |