Interesting Ac \ West Allis facts
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Topic: Interesting Ac \ West Allis facts
Posted By: DougG
Subject: Interesting Ac \ West Allis facts
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 6:39am
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Last night my wife was at a neighborhood get -together and she got talking to a new neighbor ; he said he was from Milwaukee and he always saw my -ORANGE- glow of AC , they got to talking and he supplied ALLIS with cameras, video equipment for the Proving Grounds , engineering , and whatever they needed for pictures and videos ; he said at first it wasnt- yeah we,ll take that one, they had all kinds of brands and really worked them out - very perticular !!!!! He said it was a shame that when ALLIS started to fall apart , folks could never believe it could go bankrupt ; when it did WEST ALLIS folks couldnt believe how high property tax could be ; AC paid most all the city of WEST ALLIS,S taxes ; Allis was looking to move its headquarters to Kentucky, they had the AIR FILTER business there , that rumor got a huge up-roar and to add with the economy, slow big moving equipment ,and heavy high interest rates , AC was gone ; ALLIS paid there foundry works, production workers at WEST ALLIS -with benefits 80% better than compition, ;across the board at all AC factories the pay was 30% higher ;3$ an hour higher than compition, so when AC asked for help to lower wages to get inline with compition , of coarse no-one wants to lower wages , ; it didnt go well and ALLIS wasnt lying when they told them the end was near, ;;; he also said a friend of his helped tear down some of ALLIS buildings , equipment, he couldnt believe what engineering was working on , he said it was stuff that was way ahead of our time and equipment now, and this was the early 1980,s ; It wasnt just the lack of pay cuts that collapsed ALLIS but like he said it could have helped, it was bad business moves, high interest and a combination ; they were making up divisions , companies , left and right and still working on things that were breaking them but they had to support the old business; he said the test farm ,PROVING GROUNDS was the best , those tractors were abused till something broke , it took a while but it usually did from what they put them through !!! I,ll be talking to him alot more !!!!
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Posted By: JohnCinMd
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 6:45am
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See if he has any old pictures!
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Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 8:49am
I met a fellow hiking a local park several summers ago who said he did professional photography for A-C heavy equipment brochures - rock crushers and the like. Foolish me I did not get his name or hometown!
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 10:04am
According to the couple books I have on JD's new generation designs, they tested other makes too, and often painted prototypes in competitor's colors. Then they hauled them to the Texas test farm in an enclosed trailer, but didn't let the driver see the load. They let him get out at the gate and Deere engineers drove the truck out of sight to unload it. That way, though it too four years, the new designs were a surprise to everbody but those who made them.
Gerald J.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 4:03pm
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Speaking of DEERE another magizine I have - Implement + Tractor [i think] has an interview with a JD engineer that retied, he was working on the new Generation of JD tractors 3010,4010, etc ; he talked of secret trips to Texas, also he was so glad DEERE wanted a new tractor design - cause he said that they had tried to get more fuel thru a 730 diesel , and what a time they had - finally the engineers told managment ; ITS ONLY GOT 2 CYLINDERS !!!!!
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Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 7:19pm
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if it would not have been for CAT deere would went belly when they came out with the 6 cylinders look close an compare the 2 units look the same
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Posted By: Jack(Ky)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 9:20pm
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I have read that book about designing the new gen's and some of it is laughable like the time they had a transmission whine in the mid to late sixties and they fixed it by using the helical gear design. To hear them tell it they invented the helical gear. I said AC started using them in 1953. Deere had a lot better bean counters and pr people than AC did. I have always heard that AC was run by engineers instead business people.JP
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:30am
Actually AC had helical gears in 1950 with CA and something like 1947 with one of their crawler tractors.
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