220 FWA
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Topic: 220 FWA
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: 220 FWA
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 6:42am
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Ran across this on FB and thought it was neat Guy up in Canada has it  ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 7:45am
| Never seen that kind of cab modification before. Or, a loader on a Two-Twenty FWA. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 8:42pm
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That would make a snow mover!!! I would like to see the inside of the cab. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:02am
| That is a good looking tractor even with cab and loader. Any idea where up in Canada? |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:05am
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flaxcombe-Saskatchewan/106058179426199?eid=ARAw3NEtE93aceRjGDoeEQW2HAibXRakqOd1uwGSaV4aGDtKQQROYyZ3wPC8U-gFAz6QSr9ncLslDwy4&timeline_context_item_type=intro_card_current_city&timeline_context_item_source=100001105990451&fref=tag" rel="nofollow - Flaxcombe, Saskatchewan ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:07am
trying to get more pictures of it ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:09am
Here is the other one before I shrank it ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:09am
| Is there more fwa out there then recorded. Seems like Iv seen posts on how rare they are but seems like a lot randomly show up on forum. |
Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:26am
| Wow does that hour meter have only 1300 hours on it! |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 11:12am
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Absolutely Mike. Way to many show up. There are several you know have been scrapped, several you will never know about. And they say there were only 100 made. I don't believe it. I have seen more 220 fwa then 4w220s. And there were only 175 of those made, 20 years later. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 11:28am
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I like it, but I got a different question. Why is the cylinders installed with the rod end down? For speed or to lower the lift capacity to keep from destroying the loader? There is 3 at home and not one is like that. Just wondering ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: waldersha
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 1:18pm
| My guess is because it has hard lines on the inside of the right side arm that run to the front, short hose from there to the cylinders. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 1:26pm
Interesting theory.....Isn't that kind of like saying the meat is in the middle of the sandwich "because" the bread is on the outside? Meaning, are the cylinders mounted that way "because" it's plumbed that way, or is it plumbed that way because the cylinders are mounted the way they are? I think the original question of is it designed for a specific function is still valid. Or are the loader builders in this case just not too smart?
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waldersha wrote:Posted By: waldersha
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 2:09pm
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It makes for a cleaner installation was my point, but your point is received and valid. I should have taken more time to explain my perspective. Hard lines are easier to make a clean installation than rubber hoses, so they ran hard lines to the front of the right arm, and short hoses to connect to the cylinder, then crossed over to the left side and did the same thing there. Probably also cheaper to run hard lines than rubber hoses, not positive on that though. The alternative (flipping the cylinders) I believe would lead to additional materials (steel or rubber lines) being needed to get down to the connection at the bottom of the loader frame. I don't believe there is any performance gain or loss by doing it that way, maybe a slight bit because of the extra weight of the cylinder on that end rather than just the rod. And you put the meat in the middle of your sandwich?!?!
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 2:25pm
| Oil seapage will make less mess ? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 2:32pm
Well, except for that KFC chicken breast health food thing once in a while! It's all good. I understand what you mean. To the guy who asked the question, it wouldn't reduce the lift force, as extending the cylinders still lifts the loader, it's just a question of which part of the cylinder moves. I've seen both directions.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 4:26pm
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Nice to see another one in Canada. Had a trucker from Sask. stop for a tour in November and he used to own one when he farmed. Three that I know of in Ontario including mine. All new here with one still with original owner. Have about 45 accounted for. Having just removed a LaPorte cab, there would have been a lot of work installing a 7000 cab. Would still be noisy! ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 4:45pm
| also when it rains instead of having water pool up on top of the seal on the cylinder it will run off. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 5:10pm
Without chains doubt it would be a real stud. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 5:42pm
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I like the 7220 FWA, but now I want to see a 8220 FWA. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Beirnesy
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 5:55pm
Darryl has the first 220FWA Serial# 2223 and highest 220FWA in the registry is Oughtred's is serial #2433, a spread of 210 serial #'s. So they were or were not continuously built on the line? ------------- 1969 220,1967 190DXT,1968 190DXT, LGT's 710,,716 |
Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 5:58pm
| Oughtred's has headlights on the side of the grill right? |
Posted By: Beirnesy
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 6:05pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1K7y5pP00" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1K7y5pP00 ------------- 1969 220,1967 190DXT,1968 190DXT, LGT's 710,,716 |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 6:45pm
| Most loaders have the cylinders that way for removal. That way the cylinders stay with the loader. All the plumbing is on the boom and connects in one location typically on the right hand side. The performance would only differ in the weight of the rod vs the Barrell as stated above. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 7:11pm
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Gord still has his 220 fwd but hasn't had it running since the 2009 GOTO. I saw 2442 in North Carolina. Looks like A-C made an initial run of 75 or so consecutive serial numbers and then as required after that. I have 9 consecutive numbers in my registry
------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 8:25pm
| Charlie 175 if you could get the serial number for this tractor i would appreciate it. Thanks |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:16pm
Dpower, How many you got recorded now ? |
Posted By: HaroldOmaha
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2019 at 10:48pm
| Some of the front wheel assists could be after market, such as Mudhogg possibly? |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:08am
| I got what Calvin has for ones with serial numbers. I have pictures of a few that i am trying to get the serial numbers for. Found one the other day that they tried to put a 516 motor in but did not work out. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:03pm
| Dpower an Calvin am I understanding it right. Your keeping track or recording SR nu of fwa 220. That's cool. Did you get get those that popped up over on classifieds |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 7:27am
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All single rodded cylinders have more force on extend (Piston) than on retract (rod end) with equal psi applied. More gpm is required on extend to achieve the same stroke speed due to the rod. Given the same psi and gpm on both extend and retract. If that is a 3 inch cyl and a 1.5 rod it is about 25% less force the way they are installed. By the way I still love that tractor. Calvin , is yours going to be at Forest? Trying to decide whether to come early or stay the week after. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 10:10am
WHAT??? You lost me when you got to the part about 25% less force because of install. It's pushing apart.Don't matter which end is up. Down force yes but that's not what loaders are for.
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Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 11:02am
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The lift capacity is apx 25% less due too the rod on the lift side. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 11:51am
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Depends on how its plumbed, I'm assuming the pressure up is on the rod side( bottom) to speed it up. Sorry for the confusion ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 12:11pm
| It's gotta be plumbed to push the rod out of the barrel where it has larger area to push against,period. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 12:51pm
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For max lift,yes but for speed plumb the lift pressure to the rod side. Not saying it's that way but anything is possible. Heck if the owner could put that cab on it I'm sure he could have built the loader. Probably that way to keep the dirt off the wiper. I'm just curious. I still like the tractor. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 2:13pm
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Either way you put the cylinder, it's still extending to raise. Scott does bring up a valid point, but not really applicable here. You could flip it the other way, but it still will need to extend to raise the boom. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 2:22pm
What he said. (and I said earlier in different words)
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 7:13pm
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Looks to be about 250 miles north of Harve, Montana. Only 127 people in the town so might not be too hard to find the owner. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 9:09pm
| I admit I don't know everything but how would plumbing in the rod side of a double action cyl make it push the out? That's how you retract the rod.No? |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 9:27pm
 Ya don't have to know everything bout plumbing a cylinder, to know you can't extend the rod, by putting pressure to the rod side of the cylinder. Extending the rod is the ONLY way to raise the loader and pressure HAS to be applied to the piston side to extend it. Therefore, the 25% loss is on the DOWN stroke, not lifting.  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 9:29pm
| Thanks Charlie. I thought CRS was gettin me. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 9:50pm
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Now I know what it looks like up my butt, had my blinders on. The only reason that makes sense to me is to keep the trash off the rod ,i'll hush now ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 8:47am
We knew you had to get it sooner or later! Sometimes a guy gets stuck on somethin', and all reason takes a coffee break!
Welcome back. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 9:01am
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Thanks tbone, ifn ya ain't ever been there it's pretty scary out there and humbling on return. By the way I still like the 220 if I've not already said it. Haha. I'm gonna quit wondering for a few minutes!!! ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 9:05am
Well, gentlemen, it has been entertaining anyway! 
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 10:17am
Welcome to old man-itis! lmfao!    ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 12:15pm
| As an aside....the quarry haul trucks have been installing dump cylinders upside down for years.Guessing it's to keep crap from building up on ram stages. |