Odd Allis WF tractor
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Topic: Odd Allis WF tractor
Posted By: Matt06br
Subject: Odd Allis WF tractor
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 9:50pm
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I recently purchased an Allis WF. The front sheet metal is styled but the rear fenders are the unstyled type. The tractor has electric start. Seriel number is 2232. From what I read in an Allis book, one is pictured in this variation but none where produced for sale. I purchased this tractor from it's second owner. He stated that this tractor was bought brand new in the Door county Wisconsin area. The tractor was used in a cherry and apple orchard for the first part of it's life.    
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Posted By: Matt06br
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 9:55pm
| Also, second question. Is it possible to take the radiator, sheet metal, and misc from a doner unstyled WC to make this look like an unstyled wf? Has anyone attempted a conversion like this? Thanks |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 6:26am
| Interesting, There is a picture of one in Norm's book taken at the factory, Who told you one like it wasn't sold? I would leave it the way it is and restore, will be a real conversation piece at shows. |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 7:12am
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Obviously at least one was sold! May have been an attempt at an ‘Orchard’ WF. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 7:24am
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im no wf expert and checking the serial number to dertermine the year would shed a little light, but i think it is completely within the realm of possibility that the original customer had the dealer install unstyled fenders on a styled tractor to keep low hanging branches out of the tire like other orchard tractors.
------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:04am
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I agree with Mark. Yes the hood tank and radiator will change but I believe I'd leave it as is. You have the most valuable pieces, rear fenders. Now you need to get a unstyled and a styled to show with it. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:43am
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Interesting thing is I have a 1939 salesmans binder and the literature is styled for a WC and unstyled for a WF. I guess it took them a little longer to get the fenders design complete. I do think it is possible your WF was sent that way from the factory considering the year of mfg. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:47am
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A lot of these are in Canada so when those guys thaw out I hope there is more opinions. Calvin may have some info on this topic. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 9:10am
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It's obviously an early WF, since it has the slanted exhaust manifold. It all looks like a styled except the rear fenders and the angle iron frame under the seat and the seat base (suspension). I have never seen a seat base like that on a WF unless it was an option?
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 9:40am
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Cool looking ,but as we all know a lot of years passed and any one could have changed anything with parts they had. Any type of story from owner before . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 10:07am
| Is there a hole in the hood for an exhaust pipe? |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 10:09am
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Could be a "Built from a combination of the 10 parts tractors sitting here" I've done a few those. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 10:25am
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Can we see pictures of the right side of it and more of the seat? There was a curved iron that filled in between the fender and frame on the unstyled. Who knows, maybe it is a 1 of 1.
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Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 11:12am
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The curved filler pcs are not in the picture but they would not be there because the side panels under the unstyled tank are not there either. Who knows,farmer Joe may have been in a hurry to get one and did get it in the transition. What was on the front? Blade? ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 11:43am
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The steering gear is the early Lavine which was used on WF's up to #1903, the last of the unstyled models. Styled models, #1904 and on, used a Ross gear which had a different steering wheel with a smaller hub. |
Posted By: Matt06br
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 11:43am
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Posted By: Matt06br
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 11:50am
 This tractor did have a snow blade attached on the front. When looking at the rear fenders, everything looks like it was done right, there is no farmer welding or modifications. The second owner had it for approximately 35 years. |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 12:53pm
| Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the side exhaust used on distillate tractors; even styled versions? |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:22pm
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Well I don't care what you say, that battery box doesn't look factory. Is there a hole in the hood for the exhaust pipe? I don't think I have ever seen a styled hood without one. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Matt06br
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:52pm
| There is no hole in the hood for exhaust. I have a 39 styled wc with no hole in hood as well |
Posted By: Leesok
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 11:26pm
| I posted an odd allis on here once and got the same response as you have. If its not in the "bible" it didn't happen. I don't see it that way. From looking at the pictures I would say that was done at the factory. I don't feel it is up to the owner to prove that it was, it's up to the skeptics to prove it wasn't. Could have came out of Canada, Allis was known to ship things that did not sell well in the U,S, up there. |
Posted By: Matt (Jordan,MN)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 2:12am
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The seat is aftermarket. It was made by Knoedler. Looks like it has styled brake covers on it. ------------- Owner of Matt Scott LLC Specializing in NOS and used Allis Chalmers tractor & implement parts & liturature and Magneto Repair http://www.mattscottllc.com/ |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 5:32am
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Everything has a STORY and everyone has their opinions about that story . Sold new dose not mean it came from the factory in all cases .U have a neat looking tractor with a neat story that came with . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 5:57am
  ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 7:20am
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allisrutledge, I am not a WF expert even though they were once very common in this area. Next door neighbor had 3 WF's . I'm guessing that the dealer likely changed the fenders and possibly the exhaust manifold before it was delivered new at the customers request. Norm Swinford told me personally that it was very common in California for dealers to modify an new tractor to the customers needs. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 7:46am
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Example of dealer changes. I don't think that any WD's came with Snap Couplers. My dad bought one of the last WDs, he was the first owner, the dealer had used it as a demonstrator. It had the Snap Coupler on it when we got it. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 9:02am
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I know we are getting off subject, but we rarely see a WD without snap coupler in our area. I think a lot depended on how the dealer ordered them. I never knew it was possible to buy a 180 or 190 without a hydraulic PTO until I started in this forum. Our local dealers ordered all of them (that I know of) with hydraulic PTO.
WF's were quite uncommon in our area. My grandfather bought his new in 49. We have a lot of relatives in Canada and he had seen a new WF when visiting. It was narrower and shorter than a WC, which he liked because it would fit in the barn, so they could shovel manure directly into the manure spreader, so he requested one from the local dealer. To order a WF, the dealer had to order 2. They were the only 2 WF's in northern NY that I ever saw. He didn't get a PTO because his Ford 9N had one and it had a side mounted mower, which was the only PTO thing he had. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 9:48am
I bought a WF from a guy around Courtland NY back in the early 1980's.
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WF owner wrote:Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 9:51am
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On the snap coupler subject. No WD's left the factory with snap coupler and it wasn't until approx 4800 WD-45''s had been built that SC became standard equipment. Most WD's including my Dad's was retrofitted with a SC. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: wf32
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 10:23am
| In looking at pictures the plate around the clutch pedal is from the later styled wfs and the fender brackets are from later styled wfs and serial no is a later styled wf my guess is they wanted the unstyled fenders for some reason and swapped them in still a nice find |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 5:04pm
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WF32...But saying it's a "later styled WF" doesn't really click with the hood having NO exhaust pipe hole, and having the angled outlet manifold, does it? Unless more items than the fenders were swapped. I don't know what to think. If I saw that tractor at a show, with the styled sheet metal, unstyled fenders, and hood with no exhaust hole, I'd think it was a transitional tractor like others have said, but that's just what I think.
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Posted By: wf32
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 5:34pm
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Creston Not saying right or wrong but my styled wf doesn't have a hole in the hood and has side outlet exhaust and it's close in serial no to this one Just coming from door county I can see adding the fenders to get threw apple and grape rows with out damaging the crop as much Just another thought if allis did put on the fenders they would have used the unstyled fender mount brake covers not the styled version on this unit |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 5:40pm
| Again, all distillate tractors( WC, WD, WF) had angled exhaust until the WD-45. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 6:00pm
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Thanks for the clarification. A friend of mine has a 1945 WF with a through-hood muffler, but I must have missed the part about the distillate tractors being different. Yes, I can see where the unstyled fenders would be beneficial in a grove setting. Personally, I like the unstyled fenders more than their styled counterparts.
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 6:19am
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early styled WC all had the side exhaust !!! Cut many holes in hoods to replace with later manifolds , guys where more worried about saving money than looks of original ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 6:36pm
| I don't care what it is, I'd like to own it. Cool find. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 8:30pm
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Were there and WW II WF's with an odd rear end like the WC's? ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 5:52am
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I have never seen or heard of a WF with a steel wartime rear end like some of the WC's ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 12:05pm
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300 built in '42 and none in '43. Don't think there was any changes. By being a 1940 the original posters WF was built close to the transition time for the series. Fenders were probably more available then,especially WF fenders. I'm not saying it came from the factory that way but I think it is a interesting piece as well. I like it. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. I don't think you could go wrong either way. Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |