F2 engine oil
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Topic: F2 engine oil
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: F2 engine oil
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 6:11pm
| Our F2 has the 433 in it,turbo only. I changed oil and filter today and dumped 15w/40 Shell Rotella oil in it like we have done since we've owned it because that's what the original owner said he ran in it(we are the 2'nd owners). I was browsing in the operators manual for an unrelated querry and stumbled on the oil selection page and found that only a variation of 30 w is required, NOT 15/40 !! Please tell me this won't be an issue?? Thanks |
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Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 6:22pm
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this won't be an issue HTH B:- Dnoym |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 7:49pm
| They want 0W-20 in my car. Synthetic only. Reading a little closer in the manual they go on to say that 5W-30 can be used. In most cases you can go up or down one weight. FWIW I have my oil changed at a Ford dealer where they use 5W-20. I have no problem with that. |
Posted By: 8070220
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 7:52pm
| Yep only 30 in ac eng if not they will not last I been rebuild eng for 25 yr mostly allis and I tell u when I open one up if it had 30 or that other junk oil .if it ant had 30 in it the oil pump it junk by 3000 hrs .and that 433t it one that good for that . |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 9:15pm
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30 wt is way to thick for the winter startup and just average for summer use.. A GOOD 15 w 40 DIESEL oil will be great.. The 15 is thin enough for good starting and initial lube when the motor is cold... and the 40 wt on the top end gives great lube and high oil pressures when the motor is hot and loaded during summer usage... MANY AC diesels are now running 15w 40 DIESEL oil. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 9:18pm
Thank you Steve, that other reply had me worried LOL !! BTW, WOT oil pressure is around 70 ,idle pressure 60.
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steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 9:29pm
| My F2 has 15w40 rotella...for years.... |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 10:38pm
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I run 15w40 in my 860 cotton stripper, as did the previous owner. It has the 2800 engine, though, which I don't think is too much different than you 433T, aside from being 6 cylinder. It's going on 43 years and runs great with great oil pressure. I'd wager my uncles run that oil in their 880 cotton strippers as well. (433I engine).
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Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 5:39am
| I use 15w-40 in all of diesel engines. That is the way dad did it and everyone else around here does also. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 8:09pm
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I think starting around 1983 Allis started recommending 15w40 in the manuals. They were slow to approve a new type of oil versus the "old standbys" That said, I would be more concerned about the Rotella. I have never had much luck with it, seems to be thinner when hot, and burns more. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 9:12pm
| More like 1977 A-C was using 15W-40 from the Factory in all their engines in tractors and combines. I can think of at least six tractors (6080's) that got 9,000 hrs on them before overhaul was needed and all of them used 15W-40 oil. |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 9:47am
Not to question you but, in the desire to learn where did the info on what weight oil the factory was using for factory fill in 1977 come from? To the best of my recollection we always used Shell Rotila 30W in every engine that was shipped from Harvey, IL while I was employed (1968 thru 1979) there.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 11:34am
| I remember a sticker being applied to the left side frame giving that information. The Owners manuals hadn't been brought up to date on the 15W-40 oil change spec because that required a "reprinting" of each particular tractor model book. They felt the oil viscosity spec change needed to be gotten to the Dealers and the new tractor Owners ASAP. The combines?? I'm a little fuzzy on that, but one would assume if the tractors had 15W-40 the Combine Division would also? And maybe there was a similar sticker on the valve cover.....?? |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 9:30pm
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Yeah, Doc. AC was hesitant at first to adopt the multi viscosity oil, but quickly came on board with pushing the 15-40 for example when everything improved with its use after they started testing the oil the suppliers were providing to the parts dept.... ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 8:56am
| No engine left Harvey with any kind of a sticker or decal dealing with what kind of oil is in it. It's quite possiable that once the tractor was built and shipped to a dealer the dealer made an oil change and added a decal/sticker advising the change in oil. That could explain the different mounting locations for the decal/sticker. |
Posted By: Alvin M
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 9:14am
| All allis diesel tractors in 1980 and up had a sticker on left frame at rear NOT to use multi viscosity oil in engine |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 10:31am
| Makes sense to me seeing that I left AC at the end of December 1979. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 6:48pm
| Well, that's nice to know that since 1980 I've been doing it all wrong. !5W-40 is a Multi-Viscosity oil specifically made for DIESEL ENGINES and the only oil of that type at that time that I am aware of. I've never seen this decal/sticker you are referring to, and I worked for A-C in 1980 and 81. Is there any chance this sticker was trying to make reference to not using multi-viscosity oils made for a car/gasoline engines?? because that would be true. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 9:15am
| I run 15w40 rotella in my Allis diesels, no problem what so ever. Not sure why you guys are thinking 15w40 is bad for them. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 1:14pm
 
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Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 2:04pm
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Yeah, but still.... ;) ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 2:38pm
| BLESS YOU, RON (AB) !!! |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 5:15pm
| The picture of the decal clears up a whole lot of confusion. |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 12:56pm
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If you look in AGCOs parts book for the 8000 series that decal is in the decal section. Page 176 for the 8030. ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 1:22pm
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I'ved used Rotella 15w40, during the summer, in everything I have over about 25 years old diesel or gas. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 4:34pm
| That decal is on my dads 185 too. |
Posted By: DavidnTenIll
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 5:18pm
| Shell Rotella 15w40 does not meet specs for DD 2-71. Ash content to high. Also does not meet requirement for IH 706 gas engines and is probably not good for older Allis gas or diesel engines. CIH specifically sells there Akcela low ash oils for their older engines. Also zinc content is low for older engines. Newer oils are blended for newer engines and bearing technologies have changed. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 10:36pm
| Back in the day,DDA recommended straight 30wt in the two strokes.Later 40wt.No multigrades. I think all multi's are too high in ash content. |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:24am
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Detroit Diesel (2-stroke) is an entirely different animal from any other diesel. What you say is true, but irrelevant to the topic. |
Posted By: DavidnTenIll
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:12pm
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Shell makes a T1 product in straight 30 and 40w that is recommended by them for DD and "other older diesel engines" ( their words not mine) The removal of lead from gas and sulphur from diesel fuel is also a problem for older gas and diesel engines. You work those engines hard like they were at one time and it I contend it is a problem. IH 706 and 806 gas engines had definate problem burning valves with high ash oil.Most modern oils don't spec out very well in those categories and also have low zinc content. Much of that is driven by pollution control by gov., not necessarily the quality of a lubricant. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 1:22pm
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Our resident engineer ran down the newest release of engine oil for tier 4 diesels- it is designed for low emissions, not engine reliability it seems. It is the same compounds as Delo / Rotella but with less additives that , if burned are measured as pollutants. Zinc, Selenium and copper were added in the past to fill in the imperfections of worn parts and coating them for smooth operation. Small engines mfgs ran into this a few years back. It came out in bulletin form to authorized service dealers. Roller tappet motors don't have to have this for acceptable wear - flat tappet cams do. The results were push rods fell off and compression releases didn't as the cam and lifter wear was excessive - they put the additives or subs back in as in Briggs Kohler Kawasaki oil . Thus a warning - don't use the oil you put in your car in your lawn mower - unless it is diesel oil.. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |