Valuation thoughts? WD45, Bucket, Blade
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Topic: Valuation thoughts? WD45, Bucket, Blade
Posted By: JBergie
Subject: Valuation thoughts? WD45, Bucket, Blade
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 9:32pm
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My first post! Hopefully this is the right spot. Looking for some feedback on my first AC. I found a local WD45 that looks really clean from the pics. Tin is straight, no checkering on tires, etc. it has a back blade and front loader. Still at 6v, but I don't feel that's such a detriment. Snap coupler. Price is $2,700. (This'll be for a hunting land food plot and maybe once I find more tillable land in SW Wisconsin, maybe a hay baler, etc.) Guy is firm on the price, so am hoping you more knowledgeable folks can say yea or nay. *Havent tested it out yet.....other than the often common 'popping out of 3rd gear', any other common issues of which I should be aware? |
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Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:47am
| WD45's can be had for $1500.00 around here. If the blade is Allis that would be a plus. Loaders are priced depending on condition. $100-$400 for a trip bucket. I would continue to shop. With 3rd gear out I would suspect it is a high hour tractor. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:02am
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Agree with Lon. Trip loaders are worth very little as far as value goes. Back blade is a plus depending on what it is. Tires can be spendy but you said they are good. At $2700 the tractor will be his for along time. Keep looking. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:30am
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I see a lot of them with out bucket and blade in the $1500 range. Does it have a three point hitch, to attach modern equipment? If not that would be another $400 expense for you. Tires are generally worth as much as the tractor! If they are all brand new and good brand then it could be worth that also depend on the condition. I would not be interested if it pops out of gear. Price should be around $1000 - $1500. If you have pictures that might help. Keep looking he will have it for a while unless its really nice or someone has more money than they know what to do with. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:19am
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For that money you are in a good D17 territory which is a much more useful and operator friendly tractor than a WD/WD45.Personally from what you described I'd be a buyer at about $750 and not excited about it at that.
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 12:29pm
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*Note - He didn't say it pops out of 3rd gear. He said other than the often common 'popping out of 3rd gear', any other common issues of which I should be aware? Sounds like he just asking about common ailments to look into.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 1:19pm
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Without power steering a loaded front loader makes it 'fun' to drive. Be sure to check front rims. Friend's D-14 needed new one due to stress cracks tearing rim dish from hub area ! I tossed a great Freeman loader into scrapbin this summer, I never used it, sat here 8 years,no offers...As others have said too much $$$. Maybe, just maybe $2000 but it'd have to check a lot more plusses than minuses. Do a good search, say Craigslist (?) for similar tractors. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 1:58pm
| Does it have a wide front or power steering? Those options increase value and make it much easier to use. Others have mentioned tires and rims as being very important. Mechanical condition is another very important area. Try to avoid taking home a tractor that's going to need an overhaul, the head milled, the transmission rebuilt, clutch, brakes, etc. Even if you can do the work yourself you're looking at a lot of money spent in parts. A tractor with a loader may have been abused. That's a concern. How long has this guy had the tractor? Has it been stored inside? What's it been used for? Has he changed the oil & serviced the air filter? If a mechanic has worked on the tractor you should go talk to him. How does it start, stop, run? Hydraulics work? Lots of things to think about. Take your time. I bought a "B" once. Thought I'd looked it over good. Drove it. Bought it. Noticed a break and weld after I got it home which means that I overpaid for it. So be careful and take your time. Don't fall in love with a tractor before you buy it. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:25pm
| Rear rims and tires can swing price up or down, if rims are rotted around valve stems in my book price just went down at least $500 assuming you are capable of fixing them yourself. As far as abuse from loader if it has a wide front look for welding on front end,not the end of the world but something to consider. Small things like battery box and seat shock searing u joints and as others have already said many other things. On the other hand for many of us fixing these old tractors is a hobby and we just don't keep track of all the money we put in them. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:47pm
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The wide front was a weak point when having a loader on the tractor. I happen to know this from experience! Should have power steering. I have found it doesn't take long to double your cost when you start fixing them. I only have four and am learning on each one. There are alot of them around. Keep looking and be patient and good luck! Let us know what you do. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 5:40pm
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Yes, as Dan says. Follow his advice. Is the tool box on the fender and in GOOD shape? How are the lights? Not only in looks, but working too. Wide or narrow front? Does the right side of the engine have a plate on it? For that kind of money, the tires had better be new! IF it is an Allis backblade, they are around $450 to $600. Loaders can be had in our area for $150. With a loader, power steering is a MUST!! Unless the engine has just been overhauled, and you can see some receipts and talk to the mechanic, $2700 is WAY too high! THere are a lot of WD45's around this area and they go for $1500 with good tires and everything working. Mine slips out of 2nd gear under heavy load, not 3rd. Shop around and take your time. A plain WD would suffice for what you want, but I'd go with a WD45. Check the serial number (know where it is?) and come back to us. That'll help a lot. And PICSs if you can. That'll help a LOT!! This should be the buyers time of year, what with winter coming on. $2700 is WAY TOO MUCH!! Where in MN are you located? Where is the tractor? There are a lot of guys around this area, SE MN and SW WI. If you want someone to help you out, just ask...... HTHs Forgot to mention, since you say it's a 6V system, when you start it, does the ammeter gauge show a charge? If not, that's a lot more money!! Speaking of gauges,,,,,does the temp gauge work? How about the oil gauge? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 9:34pm
| Thought I was on the green site for a bit but then I realized that was not the case as they would probably pay a bit more!!!! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 12:46am
Here lately $2700 will get a lot of tractor at the sales I've been to,saw an Oliver 1550 with Power steering,3pt ran great sell for $2100 it'll out work a WD45.Long 445 diesel ran and operated, 3pt,PS, same tractor as an AC 5040 go for $600,Long/Landini R9500 Special 98 HP ran good,354 Perkins diesel,12 speed.3pt,PS $900.Ford 8000 100 HP ran operated OK very good metal needed paint,$2200.I bought the two Longs.
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Ed (Ont) wrote:Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 8:02am
| (Love this site!)(that's why I came here) I saw the WD on CL here in Minneapolis -if you look under blade, you'll see it attached to the tractor. When I asked about the tractor, he said the blade, tractor and loader can be had for $2,700. Nice guy and we talked for a long time about it (he said the gearing was fine.....back to what AllisDave pointed out, that was just a concern of mine). I just haven't had time to go see it even though it's only 10 miles away! He also said tires were good, wide front, (didn't ask about power steering). I asked Pete over at TractorData about the price and he said seems about right....but I'm super frugal and since it'll be a small food plot toy for starters, not used much, so have to justify the cash outlay. Good call on not getting emotionally attached to a potential buy though, was starting to feel that way. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 8:28am
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Check the loader, if it is a 445 loader with the front pump, hydraulis tilt bucket and down pressure, it should be worth all of that, especially with the Allis blade being worth about $500. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 9:03am
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I guess kinda hard to really judge the value without the info being asked about in all the posts. The full hydraulic loader would be a real plus, along with the back blade info. Not to say he doesn't have that much in the tractor, but like most of us you won't get back what you have in them. Could you send a pic of the tractor? Or maybe the craigslist link if it has a pic? (unless you are keeping it a secret) ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 9:12am
| I wouldn't sell either of mine for $2700 without the loader or the blade. I'll bet most of the guys on this site wouldn't let there tractor go for that. I've two trip bucket WD45 loaders they are almost free when your not looking for one and unavaliable when you need one. Using a WD loader without power steering requires a little skill never stop moving with the tires pointed in a direction you don't want to go. The WD 9 loader can be removed or reinstalled in 15 minutes. It makes the tractor easier to steer when your not using it. I'd go the 10 miles and look at it. If your buying a tractor that you can put to use right away it dosent hurt to spend the extra money. I bough a WD 45 for $800. Was going to use it for parts. It ran good and looked ok. $2000 for rims and tires and a hundered bucks for minor bits and pieces it's the best tractor I have $800 more to put power steering on it. I now have $3700 in it should have just bought a better tractor. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 9:32am
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For what it's worth I just noticed on Mpls CraigsList a WD. Don't know anything about it, except looks clean. https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wd/6705362061.html" rel="nofollow - https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wd/6705362061.html ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 10:41am
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Here'e a decent looking WC for $700 on same CraigsList. Just gotta look for em. https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wc/6708798080.html" rel="nofollow - https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wc/6708798080.html ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 1:36pm
| I review a tractor for my intentions of use— how much can I make, how much maintenance will it cost. I think a lot of money has been made with a 45 with very little maintenance required. That being said, I would review the tractor in different eyes than most. I have a 45 w/power steering that may not be in best show condition, however it works well and has new rubber with good rims. I would not sell for less than 3k. Just my opinion |
Posted By: Wayne180d
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 8:21pm
| I live in Illinois and right now there are probably 12 to 15 WD45's for sale from 850 to 4000. I think if you shop around you can do better than that. JMHO |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 10:17pm
(OP here) I'll try to attach a pic. It looks clean, but I don't know the particulars, other than the bucket it a trip. I guess I'm trusting enough so that if someone sees it, thinks it's a good deal and wants to play dirty that's a shame and maybe they need things in life a little more than I do. But I've learned a heck of a lot on just this post by seeing what others would ask! 
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Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 6:34am
| John, if this tractor is not to far away I would go with you to look at it. 15 years ago this tractor would bring $2500.00, the blade $500.00. Last month I saw one like this sell for 1700.00. The blade brings about $350.00. The tractor I saw had a loader, chains, weights, and a two bottom plow. Engine ran nice. Still had the original paint and was nice. Trans was a bit noisy. It's a buyers market for old tractors. Many folks have not come to terms and refuse to sell. To much emotion. Call or email if it works for you 763-241-9679 |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 2:06pm
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Take Lon up on the offer if it would work! ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:45am
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You MIGHT be able to trick Lon into selling you one of his.... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:50am
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Lon, it's an hour away from you, on the other (South) side of the cities... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 7:09am
| Ted, what city? Did you look at those flood tractors near you? |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 7:53am
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It looks to be in the range that the owner is asking. Tractor looks to have newer paint job. Loader is not the Allis trip type. May be a better loader? Blade is original Allis. It would work good with the tractor. Go drive it and see how it operates! The owner is trying to take care of it with the covers on the tires. Good luck! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 12:22pm
No, I haven't gone and looked at them. I should call and see what else hes got though. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 2:06pm
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Hey, this is my baby! (if it's worth it and Lon thinks it's okay) The seller did say it was a trip bucket though and not hydraulic. p.s. I saw those flood ones too, but was wary of them!
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Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:12pm
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Left you a phone message John. Those flood tractors don't bother me if they have enough goodies on them. I drag home tractors that have sat for twenty years outside. A couple even came back to life. The red flag for me is they drained all the fluids. Brought home a D19 with all fluids drained. took it apart, all the insides were a rust ball.
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:56pm
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Make sure he has the drawbar for the tractor. Inside the snap coupler bell under the center of the tractor is a double C shaped spring. This needs to be replaced. I did not know there was 1 under there, a plow came unhooked, tiped over and landed on my back while i was plowing. That was over 30 years ago I still suffer a lot of back pain because of it. |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 10:40pm
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Drawbar is on the tractor in the pic. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 8:52am
| The snap coupler eye broke on my plow, lift latches popped open and the plow stayed in the ground behind me. I warn folks that it is possible for the attachment to come loose and to be sure the lift latches are there and working. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 9:54am
I had a subsoiler come loose at the coupler and the latches did not open,think if they get in a side ways bind will stay closed.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 2:44pm
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The BIG thing to look into is the springs on the lift latches. They HAVE to be the correct ones. If they are too strong, they won't allow the latch to come open. Another thing to look for is the lift bar or chain part. If the upper piece (stop pin) that goes into the latch is facing the WRONG direction, they won't pop the latch open. Especially in the Clevis Assembly (chains). They get put together facing the wrong way. So that is YOUR picture I've seen with the plow on the seat of the tractor Tom. It LOOKS like a real catastrophe!! I feel for ya! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 3:45pm
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If you want to spend $2700, come to NW Illinois and pick up my D17 and Allis Oxnard blade with one extention. It has good PS, straight tin. Back tires are round and black, but hold air. It has one replaced rear rim and one bad one, but a good rim would go with it. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 6:27am
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So are you the new owner? ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 10:56pm
| Here I am....back after playing email-tag with the owner of this 45. He said the carb was gummed up, but wasn't willing to come down much. So he opted to have it rebuilt, but the price would still be $1,800. Then he emailed saying the motor was seized and that the new price would be $1,200. What?! $1,200 for a seized WD45? My conversation with my new Allis mentor (Lon) taught me enough to know that was silly-talk at $1,200! Now I see it listed on CL as a "must sell". I told him we were just too far apart price-wise. I think I'll keep looking for a D17 or 45. |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 11:00pm
| CTucker- Maybe we can do a deal on that D17! (Seriously, Imhave to drive down later this month to Chicago so maybe can take a detour your way to take a look. Near Galena?) |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 8:12am
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One more chime in on my post then I'll put this to rest. The seized WD45 was sold (to whom, I'm not sure). So here's going back to the question: If the owner was sitting at $1,200 for a non-working 45, and someone bought it in that condition, could it have been truly worth that amount? Things are really worth what someone else is willing to pay, right? I'm confused now because I was under the impression that these in a good running state would fetch $1,200-$1,300 (?) (Since it seems like the AC world is pretty small, do we know who may have bought it?) (It was posted on CL in Lakeville MN) |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 8:41am
| I looked at CL for the tractor and never found it. He has a back blade and tires chains on CL now. Do you know if he sold the tractor? Many folks do their homework after the fact. They buy it and find out later what it will take to get it going. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 11:14am
| no way a seized up WD45 even with load and blade is worth 1200. It may take anywhere from $200 - $2000 to get it going. $200 if a little oil easily frees it up. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:55pm
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You just never know what someone is thinking. I agree that the new owner may not know what the cost of the repairs will be. Many options here. Look for a good running one. I did buy a stuck WD with a 45 motor a few years back for $450. Found a good running parts tractor and swaped the engine. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JBergie
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:44pm
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Yea, I pinged the owner early this morning simply asking if he had sold the WD45 and his one word reply was "yes". >>>But now on the bright side!- I found out this morning my bid for some land over in WI won so I'm ramping up my search for an AC to help me do the following: scoop (as in scoop up/knock down a trashed mobile home on the parcel), pull out trees that have been allowed to grow in the field, turn the field, and likely mow areas, etc. So now I'm thinking D17 and add a loader, plow and blade. Here in MN, there's a few D17s on CL, they're $3,995-$4,500, but 'parade pretty'. Others are lower, but seem to have been worked hard.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 4:40pm
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I'm glad you didn't get this one. It seems like it's always better to wait than to buy on a whim. I know I've done it enough..... You'll find something that you'll be happy with and will fit your pocket book... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Allis-Chalmers Damon
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 4:50pm
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Good luck with your next search. Just for reference, I found a WD45 with bucket and back blade where I live. Owner claims the engine was rebuilt around 500 hours ago...he is asking $3500. https://spokane.craigslist.org/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wd45/6741798757.html" rel="nofollow - https://spokane.craigslist.org/grd/d/allis-chalmers-wd45/6741798757.html ------------- 1955 WD45 Diesel, 1959 D14, All-Crop Drill, 2015 John Deere 5075e, New Holland 279 Haybine, New Holland 575 square baler, New Holland 1032 Stackliner, 10ft Industrias Disc, 6ft Titan grapple |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:38pm
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Hey welcome over to our state! Where did you buy? One has to be careful and not buy on emotion. Done that and found out education is expensive. Good luck. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |