Off Color Round Baler
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Topic: Off Color Round Baler
Posted By: Tbone95
Subject: Off Color Round Baler
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 1:12pm
| What to know about a Vermeer Rebel round baler? They seem......dare I say it, almost cheap? One looks like brand new for very reasonable money, unless it's cheaply made? I believe Vermeer is generally good stuff, but is this an economy grade? |
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Posted By: aaront
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 1:26pm
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What model number is it. i have a 5410 rebel and it is a simple baler to work on and run. I have had it for 10 years and run 700 bales per year and never had to replace a bearing. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 2:35pm
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Good for a 200 to 300 bale per year farm is what my dealer says. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 3:13pm
| The one that caught my eye was a 5400. Supposedly has only 300 bales through it. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 4:23pm
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I believe the rebel series is the economy line for Vermeer but they're still good for several hundred a year or so I've heard. ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2018 at 8:22pm
| As stated, they are the economy model and would work well for a small farm and have a light horsepower requirement. The M and N's are built with heavier drive lines. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 8:18am
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Well.....kind of what I thought. Thanks for the input. Always a tough choice, go with something "economy", "good for a few hundred a year"(what does that really mean?), or go with something older, but built better, which one will give more trouble. Toss up. Thinking that if I want to roll up and wrap some baleage, and net wrap would be nice, maybe I should keep looking. Thanks again. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 8:25am
| The few times we wrapped bales we switched back to twine. Twines cheaper and the net wrap doesn't do any good wrapped up inside the plastic. Netwrap shines when it's sitting out in the weather shedding water. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 8:49am
| Does the 5400 you are looking at have net? I know they were still making some improvements at that time. If at a dealer, I would request a field test. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 8:58am
Agreed, would likely do net for dry bales, twine for wrapped bales. Nice to have the choice. Last year, when we hired a guy to bale, he had net, but only did like 1 1/2 wraps since he knew we were wrapping right away, says he does 2 1/2 or something if storing the hay. Net wrapping is much quicker in the field. And our damn baler once in a while grabs a twine as soon as it starts, or doesn't cut it off right, and you have half a spool of twine wound up in the bale. That's fun to pull out when it's 15 below and the wind is blowing down your neck. Last year, we had peas and oats wrapped. Some baled with our twine baler, some with the hired guy's net wrapped. The net was still simpler to deal with coming off the bale. IDK, nice to have the option like I said. |
Allis dave wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 8:59am
No, it doesn't have net. Kinda far from home, and a used equipment dealer, not a Vermeer dealer, so IDK, he'd probably let us test, but sort of inconvenient if it didn't work out!! |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 9:21am
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Over time net actually costs less in the long run when you figure your time in the wrapping cycle. Sure makes a difference on how many bales one can make in a day. Resale is another advantage to a round baler. On the larger balers with twine are worth half of net machines. A net wrap machine is on my want list. As far as balers Vermeer does make a solid baler, not many Rebels around but have seen a few. But when it comes to bale shape I prefer a New Holland. New Holland bales are more square on the ends and stack better. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 9:37am
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My experience with wrap is the more twine the better. Net is needed with bailers with processors/ choppers on them . the 1st bales I wrapped I thought I could get buy with a few wraps of twine,WRONG, what a mess. What moisture are you bailing to wrap ? I'm not sure there is a rebel silage model. Better check on that. Also look for evidence of the belts tracking on one side. Wore places on the steel guides on one side and not the other.sprocket condition,chain condition and the bearings first to go are the one behind the cluster sproket on the left side and the two on top left that drives the belts. Also check the pickup over good , bent bars ,missing teeth and loose motion in the cam. Good luck , by the way Vermeer has been very good for me ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 1:28pm
| With New Holland's, the only difference with a silage special is endless belts and belt scrapers. Endless belts?? Who cares. THe scrapers maybe. We've baled silage bales a couple times with our stand and didn't have trouble. If you did it ofter and really wet, maybe, but for every once in awhile, I wouldn't worry about it. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 2:13pm
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I always recommend endless belts to anyone in this area doing a lot of baling, especially in corn stalks. Everyone of our customers love them. The one down side is it is a lot of work replacing them. But if one breaks in the middle of the field you can put a spliced one in its place. Roto balers also had endless belts, much more reliable and less maintenance. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |