electric chain saw
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Topic: electric chain saw
Posted By: Dusty MI
Subject: electric chain saw
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 11:14am
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I have a couple of electric 16" Remington chain saws, 1 manual chain oiler the other auto oiler. Both manuals say not to use bar and chain oil, but to use 30 weight motor oil. This seams strange to me. Why not bar oil ? Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
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Posted By: Grayray
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 11:20am
| My guess would be due to the viscosity. Bar oil is very thick like gear oil, at least 80 or 90 weight, probably even higher. |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 11:25am
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I love my little Remington.................. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 12:09pm
| Grayray is correct. regular bar oil is to thick for them. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 7:14pm
| Could be the chain don't travel near as fast? I've never looked at the RPM on an electric. I've used anything slick on my old gear drive chain. Boogers would probably work. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 9:25pm
| 30 wt non detergent works best in all my saws, electric,gas, and battery. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 11:06pm
| The bad thing about motor oil is it don't have the tackafiers to keep it from flying off the chain. I've heard of using peanut and veggie oil in environmentally sensitive areas. Like I said anything that felt slick used to go in my old David Bradley. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 6:28am
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i think Walker is hitting on it. Just might be the chain speed. On my gassers, i would never use anything cept the bar and chain oil. It is tacky and does a lot better lube job. My experience at "experimenting" with motor oil on the gassers is that it slings off readily and the chain makes more noise and has to be tightened up a lot due to wear. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:14am
| We got a Makita electric chainsaw for work in the barn last December. Calls for regular bar oil and does fine with it. Chain speed is equivalent to a typical gas chainsaw, it's really a nice unit. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:36am
Shameless, How does the speed on your battery saw compare with your electric saw? I have a 20 volt pole saw and it runs much slower than my 120 volt one. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
shameless dude wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:40am
| I shoulda specified, our Makita is 120V. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:45am
| The old chraftsman saw in the shop uses bar and chain oil. The wife's alligator saw has SAE 30 on the oil cap so I just use what the label calls for. Both are old and have held up well. The alligator saw has a 6" blade and seams to run slower than the chainsaw. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 10:40am
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When I was in the logging business in the late '70's, there was an additive sold at saw shops to add to regular motor oil that made it work better. Haven't seen it in years and don't remember the name. Would something like STP added to motor oil do the same thing? ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:18pm
| I'm almost certain in the gear drive era motor oil was called for both chain and mix but it wasn't like they had much to choose from back then either. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:33pm
| If you look at the right place, chain oil does come in two grades. Winter and summer, winter grade thinned a bit with whatever may just work in your electric. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:34pm
| I enjoyed my Remington electric saw. Son ran it with too small of an extension cord, motor went up in smoke. I then bought a Remington Versa Saw. A large plastic gear drives the chain. Not a great idea. I have replaced 1 and have a spare. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 9:05pm
| Dusty....my pole saw also runs slower than both my electric and either/both of the battery saws. both my battery saws are B&D as is my pole saw, the instruction manuels call for non detergent 30 wt for the chains. I have always used the 30 wt non detergent in my gas saws too in summer. I cut back to 20 wt in winter on the gassers. I was watching a chain saw carver one day at the fair. I asked him what he used for bar oil since I would have thought the oil may stain the wood. he said he used a mixture of what ever he had sitting around. poured it all together and shook it. he said the regular bar oil is to thick and would sometimes stain the wood he was cutting. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 11:30pm
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I was once told by an older gentleman that chain oil and gas mix oil are just 20w oil, and there ain't no reason to buy the oils that are supposedly "special". That's what I have always used and have not had any negative reactions from either. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 12:59pm
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I found this doing a search; Chainsaw manufacturers make bar oils matched to the air temperature and the saw in which it is operated. Although they don't disclose the weight of their oil, the University of Missouri Extension recommends in lieu of using a bar oil, select SAE 30 weight oil in summer and SAE 10 in winter. A gentleman I knew, who was a 30 year Vocational Small Engine Tech., said that you could use 30w oil and add STP. 1/3 STP to 2/3 oil. I've used it that way for YEARS.... I've never worried about bar wear either. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 8:10pm
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With motor oil at 4 bucks and over a quart and chain oil at 4 and under a gallon I think I know which direction I'm going. |
Posted By: hdalepalmer
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 12:39pm
| A Old-timer told me to use canola oil its cleaner easy to find and cheap at the dollar stores |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 8:27pm
| I don't even know what a canola is but I'm thinking that if you didn't watch on the veggie oil and some of the others after a couple months of using it in summer it would be like carrying around a dead animal with you in the woods. Overall I'd say that they don't call chain and bar oil chain and bar oil for nothing. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 8:55am
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In order for the canola oil (from rapeseed plant) to smell like rotten flesh, you would have to change the polymuric valance viscosity of the canola oils polypeptite bonds on the Phosphital chains. This is not the easiest to do but is possible. Until then your chainsaw would only attract squirrels, and rodents. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 4:20pm
chas, did I ever learn something today.  |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 5:14pm
| One more reason to use bar and chain oil, then ya don't have to learn all them hard to say words. |