wrong color but still shamfull
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Topic: wrong color but still shamfull
Posted By: acd21man
Subject: wrong color but still shamfull
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 8:18am
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lets start this off by im a firm beliver in a 4430 JD if i had to own one tractor do everything that would be my 77 4430. BUT i still love my ACs on the same level. so if this had been even another color id still think the same.. i think its awfull that the gov would pay someone to destroy a piece of equipment so they would buy a new one... what kind of deal did cali state offer ?? this guy has got alot of hate on youtube comments for this but he stands behind it... at least around here idk how many hours is on that but that coulda maybe brought in the teens. i mean did the gov or state come close to that??? but anyway the old girl run a long time just seems sad [TUBE]VjZC4OTlW9A[/TUBE]
------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 8:35am
| That is a shame. Pretty impressive how long it ran. Wonder how long a new Deere could run that way. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 8:36am
| I'm not even going to click play. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 8:46am
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That was ample time to finish a round and drive to the shop to put oil in it
...should have taken to a tractor pull with pump turned up ------------- |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 9:12am
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The gov't rules are typical gov't stupidity but the guy is even more stupid for getting rid of that good of a tractor to buy some new piece piece of junk.Why not buy a tractor already blown up and 'destroy' it and keep the good one? |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 9:33am
| Voluntary though, right? |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 11:19am
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Stupid is as stupid does. Even when it's a john deere. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 11:41am
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California land of MOONBEAM BROWN and idiots. ------------- B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 12:18pm
| No different than the stinkin cash for clunkers program. 9 years later new and used vehicles are still more expensive than they ever were. I got of good used cars AND PARTS are gone too. |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 4:19pm
| I don't even know where to start with this. I did google the California program and all I could find was it said the government splits the cost of the new tractor with the farmer. My question is that a lump sum payment or deferred tax credits to the farmer? Personally I prefer cash in hand over promises of the future. Also did anyone else noticed the old chevy truck and other equipment in the background? Was the sacrifice really going to make a difference? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 4:24pm
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Stan R wrote:Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 4:28pm
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Suitcase weights went too! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ihc pickups
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 4:57pm
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plum IGNORANT ------------- Mike |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 5:16pm
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YEP... and the "GOVT MONEY" he got to buy the new tractor was YOUR TAX MONEY... what a waste. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 5:21pm
government sponsored ignorance. Wait till the computer controlled gizmos, on the new tractor start goin, then, he'll wish he hadn't done that...
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 6:27pm
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Wow 50 minutes! That's impressive. Stupid but impressive. If that chunk of the block had come out and knocked him in the head I believe it would've done California more good ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: allis g
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 8:52pm
| Wouldn't he have been in for a suprise if that program ended yesterday. |
Posted By: Orange Glow
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 9:09pm
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That is sick! And besides, where do they come up with the idea that they’re cutting pollution? How much pollution was caused just by having to crush it and recycle it, and then to manufacture a new one? And that new one is going to pollute the air also. I believe the idea just went out the window.... As for the ‘cash for clunkers’ deal, there was supposed to be one a couple years ago by John Deere for old lawn mowers. Nobody brought any in, but there was a lot of interest from people wanting to buy the ‘clunkers’ from John Deere! I have taken many garden tractors that were headed to the scrappers and have been restoring them. I just can’t even watch the poor 4430. |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 11:03pm
| they should take them out an horse whip 'em |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 2:44am
| looks like my one IH combines. it had a bigger hole in the side of the block and it still ran at full throttle....for awhile! |
Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 12:43pm
| I worked for the State of Illinois for 26 years. It's absolutely unbelievable as well as criminal the amount of equipment and buildings that were left to rot or destroyed in the name of progress. "No wonder we're broke!". |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 2:51pm
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These people are truly savages. I couldnt look at it. That tractor had a lot of life left i n it if it ran that long like that. I am not a JD dude, got nothing against them, but Id take that tractor in a second...I hope no one is doing that to Allis stuff, if so, we need to mount a rescue mission ASAP. My BIL has a 4430 with steel disc dauls 18.4.34s. It looks new, always shedded. Its his favorite on his farm among several. He keeps talkig about selling it as he doesnt need it, he never does...likes it too much and its been paid for for a long, long time. What a stupid waste, TREV.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 3:10pm
Remember "tcmtech"? The guy whos farm was "the end of the line" for Allis equipment?
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Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 3:13pm
| And nobody noticed the old Allis Chalmers forklift at the end still being used by the salvage yard? |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 3:17pm
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We have the similar program here in Texas and I had the opportunity to view a pristine 7020 with less than 3K hours on it last year as the scrapper bought it after they torched a mandatory hole in the block and cut out a good chunk of the frame rail. If I recall, they show a new Kubota (big) on the TX website as they push the new tier clean diesels as replacements in the program. Tractor was still complete and the scrapper asked me if I wanted to hear it run but I walked away as I had no use for her.
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 7:40pm
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Un F'n believable, our tax dollars at work. I've never heard of such a program before. So it's purpose is to rid the world of older high polluting tractors? I know a lot of farmers (myself included) that would welcome a tractor like that with open arms.
------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 7:43pm
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If I was really into Conspiracy Theories I'd say there are several groups behind these laws to do away with older tractors as it makes it harder for the smaller farmers to stay in business. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 8:00pm
| Mel had a post over on the construction forum a couple years ago (he's a Californian, too) about a couple of AC crawler tractors that he'd bought for parts, because the California government made em useless with a laser torch. Had holes blown in em all over to make sure they wouldn't run again. Ugh! Darrel |
Posted By: btred1466
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 9:53pm
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ABSOLUTLEY STUPID!!! That was a good Tractor, still is, amazing how it starts when the Connecting Rod went through the side of the block.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 10:09pm
| And how smooth it ran! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 10:53pm
When I read 'run to failure', I didn't bother to click on that vid. Dam dum arses with their assinine goodie two shoe stupid crap need it shoved up their you know where. How can a person compete against a bloated government? "Brief Explanation of the Diesel-Engine Tier Levels The US EPA began the first set of Tier-certified emission standards for nonroad diesel engines in 1996. Uncontrolled diesel engines, also referred to as “Tier 0,” releases the greatest amounts of diesel exhaust emissions. The emissions control levels range from Tier 1, the first applied emission standards, to Tier 4 by decreasing diesel exhaust emissions over 90 percent. Operating Tier 3 or Tier 4-certified diesel engines provide farmers the assurance that they meet current air quality emission standards and the peace of mind that they are doing their part to help improve air quality." more about NRCS program "National Air Quality Initiative (NAQI)" http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjHt4Gz-dbaAhUp1oMKHRmwAZ4QFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrcs.usda.gov%2Fwps%2FPA_NRCSConsumption%2Fdownload%3Fcid%3Dstelprdb1268334%26ext%3Dpdf&usg=AOvVaw0w5JC3VTQA0PZLCvI1T3_-" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjHt4Gz-dbaAhUp1oMKHRmwAZ4QFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrcs.usda.gov%2Fwps%2FPA_NRCSConsumption%2Fdownload%3Fcid%3Dstelprdb1268334%26ext%3Dpdf&usg=AOvVaw0w5JC3VTQA0PZLCvI1T3_- http://www.arb.ca.gov/ba/loan/off-road/documents/calcap_ag_off_road.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.arb.ca.gov/ba/loan/off-road/documents/calcap_ag_off_road.pdf Facts about ARB and California Capital Access loan program for off-road vehicles Federal funds help cleanup off-road diesel vehicles for California businesses The Air Resources Board received $5 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds to assist small-business owners of off-road vehicles - including agricultural vehicles – to acquire cleaner-running diesel vehicles. ARB has partnered with the California Capital Access Program, or CalCAP, to provide financial assistance to California fleets to replace off-road vehicles, to repower existing vehicles with cleaner engines, or to install ARB-verified exhaust retrofits on off-road vehicles. The program objective is to encourage diesel emission reductions and is not for fleet expansion. Who is eligible for the program? • Companies that have off-road diesel vehicles such as loaders, backhoes and agriculture tractors; • Small businesses that have 500 or fewer employees; • Companies with most of their employees living in California and most of the business operation located in California; • Companies with fleets of all sizes are eligible, as long as they meet the above requirements; and, • Business owners that have a Diesel Off-Road• Business owners that have a Diesel Off-Road On-line Reporting System (DOORS) ARB-assigned fleet-ID number. (If a business owner does not have a DOORS fleet-ID number, they can apply for one at no charge at: https://secure.arb.ca.gov/ssldoors/doors_reporting/reporting.php How do I get a loan through the program? 1. The borrower applies for a loan at a participating CalCAP Off-Road Lender by filling out the Borrower Eligibility Criteria and Certification Form. CalCAP lenders and truck dealerships may be able to assist the borrower in completing this form. In addition, the borrower is required to complete the lender’s required loan application forms. 2. If the borrower qualifies based on the lender’s loan underwriting standards, loan documents are prepared and signed by the borrower and lender. 3. The lender disburses funds to the borrower. 4. For a vehicle purchase or an engine replacement, the old vehicle or engine must be scrapped; borrower or dealer must provide verification of disposal to CalCAP within 90 days of the date of loan. What can I use my loan for? You can use your loan to cover any or all of the following: • Engine repowers to a cleaner Tier 2, Tier 3, or Tier 4 engine that is either a certified engine or a remanufactured engine. • A replacement vehicle of the same type or similar gross vehicle weight rating or horsepower that is equipped with a cleaner Tier 2, Tier 3, or Tier 4 engine. • An ARB-verified diesel emission control device (exhaust retrofit). For a list of verified devices, see ARB’s Verified Technologies pages. In addition to the equipment, allowable items for financing may include: • Projected maintenance costs for exhaust retrofits • Installation • Extended warranties How much can I borrow? Individual businesses can borrow up to $2.5 million to replace, repower or retrofit their vehicles. What grants can I use with my loan? Borrowers can use incentive grants as a down payment for off-road vehicles purchased with a CalCAP loan. If fleet owners have received other forms of grant assistance, they should check with the issuing agency to make sure the grant agreement doesn’t restrict them from receiving loan assistance from the off-road vehicle loan program. How can I learn more? Contact the ARB diesel hotline at 1-866-6DIESEL (1-866-634-3735) or visit us on the web at: www.arb.ca.gov/ba/loan/off-road/off-road.htm. You may also email us at 8666diesel@arb.ca.gov. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |