they did it to me again...
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Topic: they did it to me again...
Posted By: shameless dude
Subject: they did it to me again...
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 6:25pm
| I've been working on my Dad's old pickup, put another motor in it, freeing up the hinges and cleaning it, I moved it out of the publics eye, and did dismantle parts of the engine in case someone knew it was there and wanted to rob parts. anyway, it was a rust free 1967 Chevy 3/4 ton 4-wheel drive, with a 4-speed. I go up there to it the other day, and it's GONE! then I see that one of the stockholders emailed us saying he sold it for $165. WTF???? and how did he come up with $165.??? it had a $2000. motor in it, and was rust and dent free! them miserable POS stockholders are gonna make me break some laws real soon! and they won't tell me who they sold it to, I thought maybe if that dude didn't haul it to the crusher, maybe I could buy my motor back at least! or buy the whole truck back. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT! |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 6:33pm
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OK, I gotta ask , who'se got the pink slip, ownership, title, or whatever piece of paper that say 'I am the owner' ?? I know you're upset but.....a legal beagle would say he who has the title can do what they want. My $400 Milwahkee MG saw 'grew legs' some time ago...had 2-3 hrs on it ,3 new blades, case and all.....I have a GOOD idea where it is but can't say squat about it. sumthin bout muther bear protectin her youngin thing.... If YOU have the ownership, call the cops, report stolen truck....sit back and have some fun. I feel for you though... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 7:17pm
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Time to gather up all the receipts on the motor, photo copy them, then list on a seperate piece of paper the amount and and then tell them that they have 48 hours to pay you back + the percentage that truck was worth on the open market... not what the dam nitwit sold it for. and all sales are suppose to be held with all parties in agreement..., not one jerk a$$ whole that deemed it was time to sell it. Maybe it is time to put a stop to their stupid and force a liquidation of all property that was listed under parents names... and sue their  for all the grief they have caused you.  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 7:29pm
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Don't see how you have managed to stay out of jail this long. Like JC says, maybe it is time to liquidate and cut all ties with the . Glad I don't have any stockholders to deal with. If the one that sold the truck did not have the title to it he needs to spend some time in jail as well as make full restitution. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 8:03pm
x2!
This reminds me I need to further pursue getting my Dad's old 1965 (forgive me) F-250 from my "stockholders"...before it goes away... |
Hubert (Ga)engine7 wrote:Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 9:54pm
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I guess my question is, unless the truck was specified as going to you in the will why invest 2 thou in it if it was before he passed, if it was after why invest 2 thou in something that is part of an estate? Nothing wrong with doing something nice for your ageing parents but ya gotta realize the what if's before they happen. Being part of an estate brings out some real ugly in some people, ugly ya aint never seen before. I'd be pushing liquidate and divvy if it was me before things really blow up. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 10:54pm
| Well Shameless you know how I feel from along time ago. X2 |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 10:55pm
| Good luck with it. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 11:07pm
| I can go get a new title for it, but still will be in Dad's name, the one POS stockholder had the power of attorney on Dad. he wouldn't budge on including us other 2 in on that! why put that engine in it? I had the engine, was rebuilt and balanced 327 CID, in stead of tripping over it in the shop, I put it in the truck just before Dad passed, the original engine in the truck was a 283 CID and had froze and broke. Dad was only able to drive it a couple times before he passed. he knew it was my engine and it was really never discussed. and I really wanted to keep that truck up since it being a rare 4x4 back then. it was the 2nd 4x4 3/4 ton farm truck in the county at the time. only problem with it, it had a wood floor in the box, and we all know how that turned out! but that's a minor thing. i'm starting to heat up again, I guess let the email wars begin! and if I see him on the street.... |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 11:11pm
| and that was the truck that Les's PTO was gonna be mounted on! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 11:17pm
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One thing I learned from my greedy "elder's" death (not sure I even want to call him "granddad") is to always get anything major like that in writing before they die. Even if something is universally known like that, everyone will play dumb when it comes down to fighting for it. Luckily, on my '51, it's still in my "good" grandpa's name, but no one else in the family wants it. Being rather indifferent about it, they wanted to just put it in the farm museum, so I took it instead. Got one "good" side of the family (Mom's side), and the other side are the "stockholders" (Dad's siblings), with my '65 F-250. Same deal with them as you, Shameless...one had the power of attorney. Nothing fun about it. One question....I'm guessing the truck wasn't at your house? Was it at your Dad's place? (Assuming your Dad's place is shared by everyone now?)
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 2:18am
| My Mom had an old Regulator train station clock that my daughter was fascinated in the pendulum going back and forth as a child Mom put a handwritten note in the pendulum case saying to was to go to her. The protests were beginning to surface when we cleaned out her belongings but after the note was passed and handwriting verified it did go to my daughter without the traditional fistfight. |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 6:46am
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In Georgia IIRC power of attorney ceases when the grantor passes away. But I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:40am
Hubert is right. I believe that's the case in Illinois too. And, I'm not an attorney either.
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Posted By: old farmer
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:54am
| Michigan had same law a few years ago. Moment of death poa is done, will or trust takes over |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 9:06am
| That's a terrible thing to have happen to you Shameless. Wish I knew how to help you out. That body style, and being three quarter ton, and four wheel drive is a collector pickup. Whoever bought it has to be laughing their ass off about the deal they got. And your "stockholder" should get drop kicked right in the ball sack. Darrel |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 9:19am
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I agree with Darrel on that one... and a cold piece of steel alongside the head too... ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Leon n/c AR.
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 9:52am
| In Arkansas POA is no good after death of grantor. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 10:04am
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Shameless,,,MY GOOD BUDDY,,,for you,,I'm gonna,,,,I'm gonna yes!!,,I'm gonna go gather up a bunch and I'm talkin a BUNCH of Goathead seeds and mail em to you in the morning,,,,  And,,when you get the box,, the box will have an address ain't nobody gonna know how to put a trace on it,,,,,,,,,Soon's you get em,,call ole Les to come help you, AND,, long bout dark, ya'll take a drive and go scatter them seeds all over their pretty lawns,,,and,,,and,,I see on the weather channel where ya'll getting some snow and them goatheads, they be burryin down thru thet pretty snow and long bout May they gonna have the prettiest FLOWERS ALL OVER THEir YARD,,,, EACH flower will produce bout a hundred goatheads (seeds) And I'll tell youse another FACT,,,,they gonna have them pretty flowers for the rest of their lives,,,!!!!!cause you can't hardly kill them sobs,,The one thing is,,,,,,they ain't EVER gonna be able to stroll out on the yard again unless they gots some THICK leather soled shoes that them goatheads can't puncture, It gonna cost em lots more than the $167 they got for thet trk,,,,,
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 11:26am
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Great idea, Joe!!
We got them goat heads up in NW Oklahoma, and them things are horrible! I try to never have to kneel down if I can keep from it, because I know I'll get about a hundred of them things stuck on my pant legs.
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Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:19pm
| Yea...I can help with the goat heads...I been fightin em for years around here...Good idea Joe.. |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 7:48pm
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I need some off those. Sounds even worse then Thistle. I got some neighbors I think could use some prettying up of there yard. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 8:08pm
| While your at the POA guys doing spring planting I'd take a look around cause I'd betcha that's where your trucks at. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 8:35pm
| I found the truck. it's at a dudes 10 cent garage, I stopped and asked if I could buy the motor back or even the whole truck? he said he wanted $7500. as it sits. WHOA! that's a heck of a good profit from $165. maybe it'll gits restored after all. it just won't be by me anymore! I did see another old CHevy pickup about a 1950 this dude has for sale at $30,000. guess it won't be coming back home. thanks Joe, i'll wait patiently for them seeds! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 6:42am
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Shameless I kind of sort of understand. When I left the farm I left behind a very slick 1952 Ford F1 and one of my old totaled out dirt track cars with a very expensive and stout 351 c. My brother hauled them to the scrap yard. I called and told him to take all his profit and pay the body shop bill for all the work they did on the 52 . He about had a fit when I told him what he owed. He hates anything old. Also our farm that was supposed to go to my brothers and I including an oil check all go to my dads new wife and her kids. I walked away at 17 and lived happily ever after without them. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 7:06am
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shameless , have some fun..call the cops,DA, DMV and tell them where the STOLEN truck is. Get the cops to examine the paperwork...up here the OWNER not the 'seller' needs to sign the pink slip to transfer it. At the very least, put a 'mechanics lien' on the truck PDQ !! You R&R the engine, that's 1,000 of $$$, right ?? !! That'll show up at DMV next time it's sold,and it can't be sold !! Life's too short to not have some fun.. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 11:35am
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Think you need to tell them $hitholders that the truck is worth $7500 dollars and that it was done by a party that seen it.... and you want half since the engine was yours.... Like Jays comment tpp, specially the "Life's too short to not have some fun.. " Now go and have a BLAST!!!  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 11:39am
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MMM wonder if you can go to the court and get some kind of legal stipulation that NOTHING leaves the properties without your consent or permission... after all, you were the one that took care of the folks when the others wanted nothing to do with them ...right? ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 4:37pm
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YES!!! Get the police involved in a STOLEN truck. That chithead stockholder has NO RIGHT to sell that truck. His POA lapsed when Dad died. He is also guilty of GRAND LARCENY. Boy, was me I'd have a ball getting even LEGALLY..... let the,,,,,,,er um,,,,,,,stuff hit the fan!! What else ya got to do??!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 6:45pm
| Did the stock holder have a title to that truck? If not go back to that shop and see what the guy would give for it. Hel’ll trip over his feet if he thinks you have the title. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 8:41pm
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And ask one of your buddies to go along just for a beer...or two ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 9:46pm
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Hey Shameless,,,I'm thinkin you is in LUCK,,,,I just googled "Does Power of Attorney end with death in Nebraska",,,and,,,,and, like most states in the USA,,,power if attorney does end upon death and then requires all living heirs to petition to the court for new power of attorney to be decided amongst the living heirs,,,,,,and,,,,and,,,they CANNOT do it with out your signature.If the trk was still in your Daddy's name,,,he is WAY out on a limb on this one. So,,call thet AH and tell him to bring the stolen trk back or you will call YOUR friends ,,the authorities,,,,!!!! Then DO IT,,!! Want me to go get my slingshot and come up and help you,,???  I ain't got but three 5 gallon buckets of the goat heads ready yets,,,
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2018 at 8:50pm
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Joe, git BUSY collectin them goats heads. i think I can persuade (blackmail) ole Michael V to bring his cattle truck up and load it up FULL and make a trip. I only gotta buy him sum beers and a couple a steak dinners,,,,,,,an a breakfast or three,,,, He can pick you up on the way and we'll all meet at,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Les, you home?,,fer brunch and beer and,,,,,,,,,,,Les, you home? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2018 at 10:34pm
| Sounds like a pretty good plan, guys! Where do I come into play? Lol |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2018 at 10:45pm
| I do think you can put a mechanics lien on it. The gals in the clerk of courts office might help. I did one for the car dealership but this darn weak mind of mine can't remember the circumstances. Again good luck with it. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 4:15am
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I'm thinkin most everybody has had questionable things done by kinfolks cause of danged old GREED,,,I did not check out all states,,, According to several articles on the internet,, POA does end upon Death in most States and then has to be re-submitted to the court upon agreement of all the renaining heirs. Shameless,,you might wanna go back to the shop that has the trk and let him know there will be court proceedings to rule on ownership of trk. Best'est thing is "you need an Attorney" to get whatever court order necessary to stop thet dude from selling it if he hasn't already done so,,and then take them unscroupolois kins to court to get evetything else designated. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 6:16am
| I don't think I'd call him or go by and see him. Forewarned in forearmed you know. The grand theft auto is a strong point in your favor and the fact it left your place when you weren't home doesn't look good either. I guess it depends on how much you want to spend on a lawyer and how mean he is. I'd blindside him with as much stuff as I could, and if you do decide to charge for the work you did to it, charge the full limit and then some. Don't allow any court proceedings be in his town. Good old boys you know. And, I'd hit this old boy in the pocket where it will hurt the most, and I still think you could hit them on the land grab thing. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 7:32am
| I'm still just flabber ghasted that some one would sell something like that for 165 bucks. Obviously it was a ploy to deliberately piss old Shameless off. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know the true value of that pick up. And what the heck is 165 bucks in this day and age. For that amount, he may just as well have given it to the guy. I guess the guy that bought it Knows what it's worth. I am on board with Joe here; there is legal recourse Shameless could take to get the truck back. But then if it comes back to the estate, I don't know how Shameless could get it transferred to him. I guess the one stockholder feels it's worth 165 dollars, so Shameless pays the estate that amount, and it should be his. darrel |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 7:44am
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$165 buys some snortin white ........ ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 12:33pm
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How would you be a privy to such info Jay? They say you can hit that stuff and then thread a saying machine while it's running ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 12:42pm
| i'm think'in that the dude offered the stockholder scrap price for it and the stockholder thought that was a deal! I been search'in for the original title, I've seen it, just gotta find it. when I do i'll file a stolen vehicle report. I went into the court house to get a copy title, and the stockholder already did that, they wanted to know why a 2nd copy was needed. if I can find the original, that will look awful bad to the stockholder since that will over ride the copy! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 7:13pm
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Dang Shameless,,,the plot gets thicker don't it,,,??? If he already gots a duplicate title,,,the he HAS TO KNOW that he should NOT have sold the trk as he no longer had legal POA. If I understand what the many articles on the internet are sayin,,,POA ends when your Daddy passed on and ALL living heirs have to decide who will be new POA,,,and all the articles say,,,all living heirs HAVE to agree and sign the new POA. a POA without "all" signatures is worthless,,, call the cops,,,get a rope,,,NAW,,,get two ropes,,and hang him from both ends,,,, I'm in your cawnor,,,,
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 9:28pm
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It might not be a bad idea to put a bug in the new owners ear as to what is going on and that his name will be involved to if he decides to sell in a hurry. Might be worth telling him you'll give him back his $165 just to sit on the truck for a while ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 9:30pm
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If you parents have passed away, there is no POA. There would be an Executor of the Estate. That persons duty is to execute the terms of the will. That means to divide up the estates assets to the proper parties as spelled out in the will. If certain assests that are part of estate are not mentioned in the will, then it is the executors duty to dispose of those assests in a manner that is most advantageous to estate as a whole, then the proceeds are to be dispersed to the survivors. If an executor is purposly disposing of assests below value, that person is in violation of the law.
Time to contact the Probate Court, your attorney, the DMV, Sheriff, CIA,CFR,USDA,KoC, Salvation Army,Free Masons, whatever it takes! These action must stop post haste. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 11:12pm
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Come'on Shameless, hurry up!!! Times A-wastin... get them sums-aw-beeches in a dang tite strangle hold and DON"T LET GO!!!
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2018 at 1:50am
| That is a 7500 piece of paper. Careful you don't roll something up in there and smoke it. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2018 at 11:05am
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Dale, did you ever find that original title for the truck? Did the guy scrap it or part it out? Have you had any luck getting it or your money? Damn stockholders get a rope! ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2018 at 12:53pm
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Enquiring minds want to know!!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2018 at 6:09pm
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I'm curious if Dale ever got a copy of his father's will. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2018 at 11:46pm
| no I never got a copy of the will, the head stockholder can't find it. he prolly pitched it. as for the truck, I found it, it was in the scrap yard minus my 327 engine and they had crushed it down. the stockholder lied to me when I asked where it went or who got it, said the buyer was gonna restore it.....yeah right. one of these days....I might go to jail! |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 7:41am
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Wow Dale that's terrible news. I feel terrible for ya. I hope you can get some satisfaction and not end up in jail. Bummer City! ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 7:42am
So where is the title? Bottom line.  |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 7:48am
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I'm thinking alongside Dave. If you could get the title, seems you could legally make the stockholder's life pretty rough. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 9:36am
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If'n you would invite all them stockholders to our little shindig,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm thinkin there might be quite a few of us that COULD go to jail with ya!! BUTtttttt, seeing as it was a properly executed execution,,,,,,,,,,fer grand theft auto (worse than horse stealin') the law would be on our side and NONE of us would have to go to jail............... Any or them stockholders gots and boats or JD grass cutters?? You could go load em up when theys out partyin someplace,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and sell em fer $165 EACH........ Wouldn't git yer truck back, but I'd bet you'd feel better... Your Dad's attorney will STILL have a copy or the will. Make a call and ask...,,,,,,,that'd prolly pizz off that SH.......Stands fer Stockholder but could also stand fer Sh!P HEAD......hehehe ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 12:01pm
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Ted, the lawyer might have a will in the drawer, and then some fellows just have their wills notarized and without the help of the legal thieves... even at that, those shysters sometimes can be bought off too.... Like the one fellow's father had a made up a will stating all the things that were the wife's would go to the daughters... all the outside stuff would go to the sons, and since the land that the house was built on was originally part of the farm, the son that bought the farm would inherit the 40 acres and the residence. A few years later he passed away. The son had taken care of the old man most of the time until the last few months when he landed in the nursing home, and got taken out of there to the daughter's place some 60 miles away for a short while and back into the hospital and died. The daughter, (and possibly her family because stuff started coming up missing and eventually some was found at the daughters place and at her son's place) got into the old mans house and took the will from the safe. The old man's son went to get the will and was gone. he went to the lawyer they used and he said he had no will on file... now it went into probate court and the answers the daughter and her husband were saying were painted in their favor and the son got real mad at what he was hearing and jumped up and hollered at the sister and her husband, "You lying sons-of-a-bitches!!! tell the truth instead of your lies!" and by that time he was over the table and had this big fellow in a half nelson... Judge was hollering "order in the court!" and then hollered at the secretary to get the security... the old man's son knew what he had just done didn't look good and said "you bastards can go to hell" turned and walked out of the building before the security got there and he went to a friends house and sat down and did small talk for awhile and then said "John, your going to have to do my chores tonight and possibly for awhile"... why's that? "because the law is looking for me... and I better go back and turn myself in." and then told him what happened. John said, "I'll go with you". They went and the son turned himself in and they were looking for him. Since he came in, he ended up posting bond and went home and did his chores. The will never turned up and the son got shafted... and not to long after this ordeal, the daughter 's husband got cancer and went through lots of chemo and had to give up carpentry, then the greedy devious daughter became ill and not in good shape either. Sold their fancy big house and went into a smaller house, and haven't heard anymore of them since. Ted, you suppose if Shameless tries something like that, he will have same results? ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 12:42pm
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And we could move the table out of the way and then hold em for the half nelson routine. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |