Got my butt kicked
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Topic: Got my butt kicked
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: Got my butt kicked
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 6:42am
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Danged old farm tractor had a bad tire, was ripping open across the tread face so decided to swap it to a spare. 18.4x28 Hammered on it til could not any further, rolled wheel and all off and tried another farm tractor(did not work) then stepped up the game as I WAS really ANGRY at this point!! Tire came free. Was hard rusted to the rim!!  It was coming off or was going to destroy it where would have to buy another wheel!! |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 7:38am
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If I had a 'yellow tire removal device' like yours, I'd have used it FIRST.. one of them 'gettin older,work smarter, not harder' things.... these days it takes a LOT longer to heal form say,whackin yourself with a hammer'... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 7:51am
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Must have been the weekend for tire changing DMIller. My Bobcat decided that it was time to test my patience. Had to get a round bale for our horses and came to a flat tire. Plugged it 2x before it would take as it is a tubeless tire. Then strapped it to get it hold air as the bead had broken. After a couple of hours,,,, success. 
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 8:38am
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I hear both of ya!! I had considered the yellow dog but the other side tire had come off relatively easy two years ago. Rim fell apart on that one and the spare (one of two I had) I installed on that new rim went on smooth! This one not so much so!! To top it all off, probably pinched the tube yesterday fighting with it, leaked down overnight so spare has to come half way BACK off!! DANGIT! |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 12:54pm
| Tire repairs always hold an uncertainty. One of my least favorite jobs. On an upbeat note, viewing from your photo, you didn't have a foot of snow that you had to work in. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 1:33pm
Tires, you never know... Hauled a load of moo-moos yesterday 50+ miles and had this happen a mile from destination. Just kept going and unloaded and then went another mile to a tire shop. Didn't have a spare with me for the trailer, other than a different size wheel for the truck. They were real busy so i asked if they would loan me a jack and a wrench. Dang nuts were really on tight but got them cracked loose and jacked up. and then rolled the wheel in and a bare rim and got couple good tires put on. paid them and got back on the road and hit the wet slippery crap snow going home... Funnier part was, I checked the tire pressure of all four wheels in the morning and this tire was always at 70# pressure and did not see any cracks in the casing either, and thought to myself that it was the best tire on the trailer. LOL ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 2:09pm
| Almost the most certain going to have to fix parts. |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 3:38pm
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" Was hard rusted to the rim!!" As were two on our AC Forty Five when we got it. No idea of when they had last been moved. First one didn't respond to the usual treatments. As we needed it I had to cut the centre out with a chainsaw and then had to oxy the beads off. So much for that tube. The second one I made a 4-legged frame that fits over the centre and used the quick drop blade on the FA 10 as the hammer. Eventually the beads came free. Saved the tube in that one. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 3:47pm
| We all have stories for sure. Love the pics. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 4:27pm
| If it was a junk tire I'd given it a Sawzallpendectomy. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 6:18pm
| Would have but needed the tube and did not wish rim damage unless was angry enough to take my vengeance upon it!! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 3:15am
| ya'll needs to take lessons from Eldon! |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 8:04am
| If you plan on changing tires for a few more years you need a slide hammer. Still hard work but you can save the tire and wheel in most cases. |
Posted By: The Consultator
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 8:23am
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Glad to hear that you all finally got things sorted out! Murphy always makes a causal appearance...
------------- 1939 Allis-Chalmers "B" restored in 2010- very good condition. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 9:11am
| Hi Leon, I do have a 20# tire slide hammer bead breaker, all it would do was bounce. Left the bucket on the unhammered side for five minutes before it finally let loose!! Was rust glued TIGHT! Previous repair happened nine years ago, old and replaced tube had calcium mix in it so was very little rust on a fairly new rim then, failed to think it soaked into the dry rot on the bead edges and then sat on the tractor for nine years. Had methanol in the tube this time. |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 11:53am
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Had a very bad day working in a garage with a car on a lift Had to hit something Had a rubber hammer in my hand Hit the car tire hard The rebound laid me out on the garage floor Never did that again |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 4:33pm
| We were working on a skidder one time in the winter in the shop. we had a nice hot fire burning in the 55 gallon drum wood heater and so on. The boss had his skatterbrained teenage son in there with us .He was suspose to be cleaning the shop .We had just changed hoses and flushed out the radiator and refilled it with new antifreeze and we went on replacing other things. It got real hot in that shop .the boy put the old hoses in the heater and it was burning glowing red. The boss saw the smoke and flames comming out of the chemley and saw what he had done .As he was walking out cussing and carrying on he football kicked a antifreeze box that he thought was empty but his son had put a battery in it and left it on the floor. He ended up with 4 broke toes and a fractured foot I would say he had a bad day!!! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 5:20pm
What is that change them every month.
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shameless dude wrote:Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 5:22pm
Post pounder and a digging bar will improvise for us cheap folks that don't do it to often.
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Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 5:40pm
| Holy Crap you were lucky it just laid ya out Dozer |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 6:11pm
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I bought one of these, coupla years ago: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350008_200350008?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Automotive%20>%20Tire%20Equipment%20>%20Bead%20Breakers&utm_campaign=AME%20International&utm_content=71600&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-qDTBRD-ARIsAJ_10yIbYTblfMc50gv58fVywJgy9L13wNzYXqTtoIxrw0LUF6-ZlsSfQMAaAsBhEALw_wcB" rel="nofollow - https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350008_200350008?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Automotive%20>%20Tire%20Equipment%20>%20Bead%20Breakers&utm_campaign=AME%20International&utm_content=71600&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-qDTBRD-ARIsAJ_10yIbYTblfMc50gv58fVywJgy9L13wNzYXqTtoIxrw0LUF6-ZlsSfQMAaAsBhEALw_wcB ON EDIT, link don't work, Go to Northern tool, search tractor tire removal tool... Mine has a little different clamp, but works on the same principal... Sure saves them choice words, fer another occasion...
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 8:52pm
| Not trying to be a smart-azz (Oh yes you are)(NO I not!)(yes you is)(Oh shut up). If your break down tool was bouncing back at you, you were probably holding it too straight up and down. Lay it as flat as you can to drive it under the rim as far as you can. Move over about an inch and do it again. Sometimes you have to go all the way around doing this. Once you've got that done you can stand the tool up a bit and go around it again. Keep a chair close at all times. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 12:31am
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and a case of beer? DD, heres a link... http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350008_200350008" rel="nofollow - http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350008_200350008  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 6:36am
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Been knocking down tires since 1976, was holding the bead breaker into the groove(what was of it) trying to angle in and get as hard to the bead and at the rim as possible. I am thinking will invest in a jack style bead breaker, have already bought a gallon of slimy bead lube(blue color) and trust me made a world of difference just going back on with that old hard spare getting it to break over the rim and bead seat. Suspicion is the last tire shop did as I used to, a heavy soapy water lube solution then as the old tire was dry rot checked and the calcium chloride had leached into the beads had just made for some nasty rust glue. All good today so far, tire held 28# air all night, beads are fully seated so later today after a little semi-retired work will ballast it up. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 7:01am
| Good Luck D. Sounds like you might have it. It took me 3x's so far to get my Bobcat tire to hold air longer than 3 days. Not a bead issue but a puncture relate. The typical plug repair kit available is not designed for tractor tires and the plug material is not the old reliable rubber plugs but a lightweight material that is not holding up. Have refused to convert tire from tubeless to a tube but may be forced to. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 8:04am
| I EVEN own an old tubeless bead hammer, full 36" handle five pound head and it would not enter the slot rim to tire, hammered with both a long time finally gave in to hilift. |
Posted By: pinball
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 11:48am
| The local guy here that sells tires and is very good told me he learned a trick for getting those old tires busted lose . he said its sort of dangerous but has never failed him yet. he pours some gasoline around the rim. lets it set for about 5 minutes then stands back and lights it and poof the tire will unseat from the rim. course I would want to be outside if I tried it. I can see how dangerous it could be and am not advocating this but I suspect if you just put a small amount at first I can see how it might work. might be a trial and error thing. for me though I just take it to him but that sure would beat the heck out of using that sledge. just my thought. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 3:13pm
| With this great gasoline we have now if you wait five minutes it probably would light. |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 5:36pm
Like that fireproof paper and FUM (*) brand matches we get (*) F-in' Useless Matches |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 6:01pm
Dozer dozing  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2018 at 6:08pm
For what its worth the above tool, or 1 similar to it has NEVER failed to work, fer me, anyway. Temperature might have something to do with it. I try to do all tire repairs in at least 60ºF or higher...
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