Need Help Identifying AC
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Topic: Need Help Identifying AC
Posted By: avgman00
Subject: Need Help Identifying AC
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 2:43pm
Good afternoon all! New member and first time poster here. I found an AC for sale on CL but the current owner doesn't know the model of it. He took it in trade and was told it's a 40hp tractor. It runs (needs a new starter and battery), and the 3pt and PTO work. I am going to look at it saturday but I'm trying to figure out what it is and if it's worth the trip (4 hour drive one way). Looking on tractordata I think it's a 6140 but I thought I'd ask if anyone with more experience than I would hazard a guess. Thanks for your assistance!! James  |
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 3:09pm
| I don't know what that is but it is not an allis. |
Posted By: johnkc
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 3:13pm
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That looks like a Belarus to me as I have not seen very many foreign made Allis's to know for sure if it is an Allis ------------- I support the development of hybrid automobiles and alternative fuels as I need DIESEL fuel for my ALLIS CHALMERS! |
Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 3:26pm
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Looking at side by side pics of a 6140 and this tractor they look identical except for the hood. Maybe someone swapped a hood on it that was not an AC hood? |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 4:33pm
| This not an Allis, maybe a Valmet, or Tractor King? |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 5:46pm
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The grill kinda looks like a MF ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 6:26pm
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Might be a 5040, wif MF sheetmetal on it... Wouldn't give much fer it...
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Posted By: Larry in NC
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 6:36pm
Yes, possibly a modified 5040. You can buy a good 5040 for $2200-$2500. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 9:08pm
| That 5040 looks like my White. It has the same sheet metal anyway. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 9:19pm
| looks more IH to me... also looks to be rode hard and put up wet,,,sure would low ball this one |
Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 5:45am
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The gentleman is asking $800 for it. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 5:53am
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Definitely not a 5040.It could be a Taft which was sort of a knock off Massey Ferguson. $800 sounds pretty good for a diesel tractor that runs and operates. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 6:01am
| Can he take a picture of the name plate? Serial number and all. That would tell me more than any picture of the sheet metal. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 7:08am
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Could also be an IMT they built MF knockoffs too |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 7:16am
| i'd also say a Belarus or zetor or massey |
Posted By: sho-man1
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 8:55am
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There is this 5030 on craigslist in Fort Worth. https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/grd/d/allis-chalmers-tractor/6259091007.html" rel="nofollow - https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/grd/d/allis-chalmers-tractor/6259091007.html |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 10:59am
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Imt ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 11:34am
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IMT looks like a MF knockoff, headlights are set about middle of the grill. The headlights on this one are set at the top. The only similar hood I can find is on a Allis-Deutz |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 1:14pm
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It looks more like UTB (Universal) to me. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 1:49pm
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Step on each side of the operators platform is identical to a AC... UTB doesn't have the same step on similar models... I've asked for data plate information but nothing yet |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 3:30pm
I was thinking MF or TAFE ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
AC720Man wrote:Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 8:23pm
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Hole in the rear wheel center is too small to be a Fiat/UTB,BTW 5040 is a UTB |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2017 at 6:55am
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The sheet metal is certainly not AC. I look more like UTB due to the sheet metal, especially the high mounted headlights. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 9:25am
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It kinda looks like a 6140. The outer grille sheet metal appears to be missing and the hood metal looks "customized". The gas tank sheet metal and the engine configuation looks about right. Did the Japanese Mfgr. build essentially the same tractor for different brands?
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Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 11:00am
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The owner got back to me and said the data plate says it is a 6140. That hood looks different from any 6140 I've seen so far, makes me wonder where it came from |
Posted By: AllisandGleaner
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 6:58pm
| I think I've figured it out the dash is original to the 6140 and the hood and grill is off a 1040 or 1045 Massey Ferguson. That should solve the mystery. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:31pm
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I know that 5015's, 20's and 30's were sourced from toyosha, and so were the masseys of the same era, but am not sure if the 5040's are the same source as MF 1040-45... I know the AC's were rebadged UTB's mfr'd by fiat...
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Posted By: WestAllisWD45
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 8:55pm
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Whatever it is I hope they don't want much for it. Looks like something right off Red Green. |
Posted By: avgman00
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2017 at 5:07am
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Owner is asking $800 for it |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2017 at 6:52am
Hard to go wrong at that price. |