modern roto-baler?
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Topic: modern roto-baler?
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Subject: modern roto-baler?
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 4:05pm
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It looks like this company has reinvented the roto-baler, for a pretty steep price! https://tractortoolsdirect.com/showroom/tx31-mini-round-baler-by-ibex/" rel="nofollow - https://tractortoolsdirect.com/showroom/tx31-mini-round-baler-by-ibex/ ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
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Posted By: johnkc
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 5:01pm
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"Finally, you can control the quality of your hay by baling when the hay is at peak nutritional value, instead of when the farmer down the road gets around to it." the company must be ran by citybots with a reference towards farmers like that.....
------------- I support the development of hybrid automobiles and alternative fuels as I need DIESEL fuel for my ALLIS CHALMERS! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 7:01pm
| yep....several companies are making the little ones, mostly they are made over seas somewhere and shipped here. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 7:53pm
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Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 8:35pm
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A toy version of a round baler. I had rather go with a square baler for ease of handling and stacking. The only advantage to these would be weather resistance if left outside. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 4:04pm
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I agree Hubert. I can't see a lot of moisture resistance because if rain soaks the first 3 or 4 inches you lose a fair percentage of the bale ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 6:00am
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Fellow not far from me has one of the small round balers makes a bale about the size of a Roto Baler and puts up a nice looking bale.Its pretty simple but works well definitely not a toy but a serious machine.I'd love to have one but I think he paid over 10K for it so I don't see one in my future soon.He gave me about 75 of the bales because he thought it wasn't up to the 'quality' of the hay his horses needed my goats thought it was OK.And it does far less damage to the hay than a square baler. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 6:03am
With an AC Roto Baler if the bales are baled as large as they can go and baled very tight they'll keep real well out in the field,and when baling that tight it'll make a WD45 snort a little when the bale is close to being finished. |
thendrix wrote:Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2017 at 4:55pm
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If someone want's the real McCoy I have a white top Roto-Baler available, I'll take less that what they're asking for those. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Hockeygoon
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 8:25am
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If you want a "toy" round baler watch this one: https://vimeo.com/43045827" rel="nofollow - https://vimeo.com/43045827 No tractor needed - just a good pair of shoes.
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 8:49am
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I'm surprised DR hasn't started marketing mini balers yet. I can see that being handy in steep terrain. Less chance for a roll over ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: CaseyCreek
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 4:23pm
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I have wondered about this for awhile: How do you load a bale that is too small to lift with a bucket loader and too awkward to grab onto and pitch on to a wagon? If you could pitch it on the wagon how would you stack it? I have seen hay hooks that my dad used to use but that still seems slow and awkward when it comes to getting a good load on a wagon. What am i missing? ------------- D17 Series III,D17 Series IV, 185 |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 6:20pm
Saw the above video... This gal's got that machine, all beat to hell: [TUBE]fIVAlV8YVF0[/TUBE]
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 8:50pm
The best way to stack them would be on end I think. I'm guessing they probably weigh about the same as a square bale (45 - 65 lbs I guess). I bet somebody makes a 4 wide spear or something for them.
------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 9:27pm
| these small balers were originally designed for baling pine needles. used in the landscaping industry. then they caught on to bale hay and straw too. there is a dude in PA that re-designs a new Holland small square baler to make smaller square bales, pulled behind a 65 HP plus tractor it can usually pump out about 30 bales a minute. these are really loved by the horse people as they can be hauled to shows easier and the little kids can handle them easier for feeding. 1 bale will feed 2 horses at each feeding. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 9:53pm
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Wonder if that hay pusher still has that kind of steam yet... LOL ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2017 at 9:52pm
| That girl was impressive. There's no way I could work like that. As far as the small rolls go, not everyone has a tractor to handle a big roll. But with that said, I agree with Hubert, I rather have square bales in that case. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 4:39pm
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She was putting the effort out, would love to rub on those tired muscles!! A cutie too!! Was the way my Great Aunt and Uncle put up hay before balers, push to a pile then load on wagons then use loft hay grab to put in barn. Forks wore pretty hard running them on the grade pushing hay, would have flat spots on backside after a season! They still had the loose hay forks(9 tine) when I was younger then they just disappeared. |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 10:12pm
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I bought one of these IBEX TX31 mini round balers back in June 2019. I did this after a lot of research into balers, and after the farmer down the road once again let me down. We had been share baling our fields, we have horses as do they, after waiting many weeks we were informed he didn't really need any hay. Great. So we decided to divorce ourselves from that arrangement and find another solution, looked at lots of used balers, but not interested in buying someone else problems. We have a Ford 2110 and a Boomer 40. We found an inline square baler, very compact lightweight and lower power requirements, in Japan, very expensive. Then we found a lot of mini round balers, the most expensive being the Italian ones, which cost more than twice the IBEX and lacked hydraulics. So we decided to roll the dice, we needed everything but the tractor, so we ordered the IBEX TX31 baler, a 4 wheel rake, a two tine teder, and a high speed drum mower, the entire package was delivered to our farm for under $11,000 I made 1,000 bales, about 40 pounds each, The last week of June 2019. We were 4 weeks behind the other locals here. All 4 pieces of equipment are more than satisfactory, the baler works just fine and does the job. Unlike the expensive Italian model, it has it's own hydraulic system for opening the door. The baler is so interesting, I started creating a wifi enabled wireless control system for it, to add a lot of functionality and supervision to the baler, including bale moisture content. The baler works with a very low power tractor, it is no issue for our 40 hp tractors. I've got about 18 or so videos on it and the automation project. Oh, and we started second cutting, baled 200 today set at higher density, 60 lbs a bale http://youtu.be/5R4_XI8Gmsw" rel="nofollow - [TUBE]5R4_XI8Gmsw[/TUBE] http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVuwOe3CK-qrPNfyBkj2t-w/videos" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVuwOe3CK-qrPNfyBkj2t-w/videos |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 5:02am
Thanks for the update. For the lower HP tractors, there really is no other option. As for how to handle (Load by hand) these bales, just like a roto-baler, when I was handling them, use a hay hook, in each hand, makes things a lot easier. Also, back when I had a roto-baler, I also had a ATV, with a snowplow, that I had bodged together, on the front. I would take the ATV/plow, and push a pile of bales together, about 10-15 bales, from each direction. then take a wagon or dump truck out to the pile of bales, and load in fewer stops, and no schleppin bales while walkin along a moving wagon... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 5:50am
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Actually...... the baler shipped encased in angle iron, so much angle that I easily built a hay spear for my loader in an hour. I use the spear to load the bales on the trailer, and unload them and stack in the barn. As far as manually, you just pick them up with your hands on each end where the spear would enter. My mom loaded 100 by hand last night cause I wont let her use the spears, she keeps running them into the ground and bending them. Shes 86. The horses are hers, once she cant bale she cant ride. The spears are spaced so you load bales 1 and 3, then bales 2 and 4  |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 6:18am
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11 grand plus the already owned tractor to go into the haymaking business. A Roto-Baler, PTO rake/tedder, mower and CA would have been a lot less. On top of all that, the Roto-Baler has s completely automatic after you stop motion to finish the bale. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 6:49am
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Can you post links to all the equipment and pricing and shipping ? |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 7:46am
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DROSERA 280 ROTARY TEDDER http://www.terra-implements.it/portfolio-items/drosera/" rel="nofollow - http://www.terra-implements.it/portfolio-items/drosera/ IBEX TX 31 MINI ROUND BALER http://ibexequipment.com/ibex-mini-round-baler-twine-wrap/" rel="nofollow - http://ibexequipment.com/ibex-mini-round-baler-twine-wrap/ IBEX TS144 4 WHEEL RAKE http://tractortoolsdirect.com/showroom/ibex-ts114_4-wheel-rake/" rel="nofollow - http://tractortoolsdirect.com/showroom/ibex-ts114_4-wheel-rake/ KOWALKSI Z001/2 DRUM MOWER http://www.hodgesfarmequipment.com/productdetail.php?idx=2406" rel="nofollow - http://www.hodgesfarmequipment.com/productdetail.php?idx=2406 After many iterations of making practice orders on the internet myself, I stumbled across Steve Carver of Carver Equipment, he ended up providing all the above delivered and at 500 dollars less than the best I could do on my own. His support during sale shipping and afterward has been stellar. In comparing prices, this included shipping to my barn and lift truck service, not cheap. I sold 800 bales of the first cut at 3.75 a bale, we wanted the second cut for over winter, baling that now. So we got $3,000 back off the first cutting. We don't load or deliver  From cutting teddering raking baling loading transport to barn and unloading on that first 1,000 bales, I did it all myself, and I never left the seat of a tractor or picked up anything myself. http://www.facebook.com/groups/616885855078958/permalink/1886581154776082/" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/groups/616885855078958/permalink/1886581154776082/ |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:13am
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Am I wrong or is this allis roto baler everyone talks about and is comparing here is only available used as a vintage piece of equipment, and that it weighs over a ton at 2300 pounds ? By the way, one of the issues we took into consideration on other used balers was weight, we have hills, there is no way our compact tractors could hold back those heavy square balers, we can slide on some of the hills with the ibex if the rear tires get on cut hay going downhill and trying to stop, its like ice. |
Posted By: WDJim
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:18am
| can roto baler twine be found I am about out. getting desperate. text me at 308-340-6405 thanks |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:18am
So will the IBEX once my wifi enabled automation add on is completed. Plans are to market it. |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:42am
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:49am
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Seems like a crazy amount of money to spend to make a small bale of hay when balers in working ready to go to field condition can be had for less than $2000. |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 9:11am
Can you post a link to the lower cost balers that will work on a compact tractor, i assume they weight less than 1,000 lbs ? Cause I searched high and low and the IBEX was the lowest cost solution I found. Also, I already got back $3,000 by selling the first cut I didn't want in the first place. So 4 years and it's free equipment  |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 9:35am
That lower cost baler plus a used WD or D17 might still cost less than $5000 combined. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 9:54am
| Where are you located? Is shipping that much of an issue for the equipment others have suggested? Just trying to figure out how to reconcile these things based on what I'm reading here. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 10:42am
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Seems to not know the history of the Roto baler, I suppose it's possible but not likely for an AC enthusiasts. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 12:16pm
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Allis roto balers use BINDER TWINE. Not baler twine. BINDER twine. My Dad bought one new in 1948 when he got out of the army and used it for nearly 50 years. Baler twine will give you fits. I've handled a few..... ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:15pm
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virginia well shipping is freight so you can expect to see up to a tractor trailer arrive, shipping weight is much more than actual due to crating. you can easily see $500 for this $750 for that. the only reason you dont see these at the dealer is you are picking up there and their destination charges are already marked into the retail pricing, at 200% of cost o more. best way to get an idea is ti use internet shopping carts, load equipment, and see what they add on for shipping and go from there in your shopping around
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:31pm
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Northern Va is not all that far from me. I have quite a bit of experience hauling Roto-Balers. The Roto-Baler I have available needs nothing but a field of properly raked hay and a tractor to run it. From what I read, his Boomer tractor is the beginning of IBEXowner's problems. those R4 tires are not for traction but for longer wear in industrial use. Also those Wimpy little yuppie tractors have power but no a$$. Even a cheap WD hooked to a Roto-Baler would have cut the cost of his investment considerably. Who wants to have to be constantly be playing with a smart phone to operate a baler. A nice working Roto-Baler is a joy to run and watch. I believe that he is trying to justify to himself for the outrages expenditure he has made supporting Chinese industry. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:52pm
| Where at in Northern VA I'm right down the road,I'd like to see this thing in action. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 5:30pm
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Boomer tractors are manufactured by LS Tractor in South Korea and imported by LS-New Holland. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 7:42pm
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lol every forum i have ever been on has ONE OF THESE GUYS, he is that guy, even though, you shouldn't be that guy. By the way, old timers, IOT, internet of things, it's where it's at, of course, you may not have understood bitcoin facebook google etc, IoT is where the moneys at. House west of dc, near front royal, nearer to woodstock va, baling more next week. |
Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 7:47pm
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by the way, love the boomer, we have done so much with it, built ponds, regraded stuff, about 1100 hours on it and it has never been a problem, tires ? what ? lol, oh my. i bale with the old ford 2110, a japan tractor, man that thing runs and runs. justify my expensive purchase ? lol lets look at t he financials, prior to haying the property we mowed it like a golf course, for that we use a dixie chopper, that was $10,000 plus the cost of operation etc, then we bought a second dixie chopper fuel injected springer front end, $13,000 with them we can mow about 12 mph on rough ground and keep the entire property mowed weekly in about 5 hours. then we started haying instead and stopped most of the mowing. $23,000 for quality fast mowers, and i am trying to justify spending $11,000 for 4 pieces of farm equipment ? what ? lol man, there is always one.
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Posted By: ranger43
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:26pm
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Posted By: ranger43
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 8:39pm
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Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 10:19pm
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well, the guys here are tame compared to what i had to put up with on the honda insight fourm when i converted my gas electric hybrid from the 120 d cell flashlight batteries honda used to the 20 cells prius uses, oh my god you would think i was planning to kill the pope, and i did the conversion, and its leeps and bound better same as the heavy equipment forum when i bought a case 580b basket case backhoe and rebuilt ir from the ground up including and in frame rebuild of the diesel, which i had never done before, runs great, that forums experts greeted me with hope it grinds itself to death we love the sound of metal on metal yep, no idea whats wrong with some of these denizens of the internet, and i dont care. i got too much to do :)P
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Posted By: ibexowner
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 10:20pm
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got in 300 more bales, gonna cut again on the 16th, might not rain for 6 days, that will be the last of it. probably another 300 bales, winter hay :) |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 7:17am
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$5 says ibexowner is some sort of: marketer, importer, dealer, employee.....cleverly discussing his ibex with us. Any takers?
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 7:35am
could be. I thought the same thing myself after watching the videos. Seems very impractical to me but to each his own. With the windrows we do here, you would put out a bale every 10 ft with that little guy. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 5:42pm
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Never argue with an ibex... [TUBE]TugslL45aXk[/TUBE] ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 7:22pm
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OK, I have a question... If rotobalers are so good, yet parts dang hard to find, WHY isn't someone making and selling parts for them ? Really ,with today's tech , I can tka e afew photos..import to PC, PC to CNC , and presto ..out pops the part. press x2 and two more magically appear. While I may have simplified the proceedure , my friend does exactly that in wood( easier and cleaner) not steel. Hek, if you've got a good working one, ship it to China, they'll 'reverse engineer' it in a week, you'll have brand new roto-balers by Xmas ! Just saying IF the demand was there...... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 7:52pm
Jay, I do that with steel. Just today I popped out the part for a local feed mill, to replace one on their 50+ year old corn cracker. Picture of new part.  |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2019 at 6:57am
Because in the grand scheme of things, the demand ISN'T there. You're talking to a few handfuls of enthusiasts here. Vast majority of people who are actually farming to make money are not going to fart around with little bales of any shape and all the labor requirements that go with it. Big rounds or big squares, 150+ HP tractors, cover 100 acres+ a day, that's the demand.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2019 at 8:36pm
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Roto baler might have been a innovative idea at its time but certainly crude by today’s standards. Like many of Allis’s ideas maybe too far ahead of its time. My mottto is until I can afford a good over the edge net wrap I’ll much sooner hire it out. My custom baler is running a $60,000 plus Krone. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 3:27pm
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I always wondered why Allis never built a Large Round Baler.I heard once that Allis was spooked because of all the lawsuits from the small roto baler.Accidents and such. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 5:40pm
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Actually, in Swinford's book, he mentions that AC was toying with the idea of a large round baler, made by Hawk-Bilt. tests proved less than satisfactory, it was a ground driven baler, that rolled up a loose bale, if at all...
Imagine something like this, only ground driven... [TUBE]OVOyr0RqeU0[/TUBE] ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:26pm
| Back in the 70's I put up 6000 allis round bales a year. We used barge wagons and had a loader that picked them off the ground and lifted into the wagon . Put 122 bales on each wagon. Stacked most either in the barn loft or the machine shed. Yes we used an allis elevator to get them up into the loft. Out side the barn two rows of deader posts 50 f apart to be the stack ends uaually 1000 bales outside. The roto baler made great bales but they required a lot of hard labor. Squares were just easier to handle they stacked Better but you really need to cover them outside or they soak all the way thru. We use nothing but large rounds now 6x5 bales rolled tight their about 2000 lbs. and require a much larger unit to handle them but no manual labor involved. We can carry 48 bales at a time and leave a loader in the field and use a pay loader at the farm. That would be 1600 square bales. We get alfalfa in squares for the calving shed stack of 200 on the bale handler and I have to restack them to get in the building |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 9:50pm
Probably a good thing AC didn't partner with Hawk-bilt, they would have went broke sooner. First round baler I ever saw in these parts was a Hawk-bilt. At the time, everybody around here were all still putting up small squares. I was just a kid and we had 10 ac of hay that got wet so many times it was rotting in the field. We just wanted to get it out of the feild, and a guy down the road had just bought him this new round baler. We had him come bale it, just so we could move it out. The thing rolled the bale on the gound, and I would call it more of a wadded up pile than a round bale. I don't think it even had a way to put twine on.
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 10:32pm
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Dang it girl!! If my eyes don’t deceive me, she looked barefoot. If gonna venture a guess here; when it comes time for nighty-night, and they are engaged in some ‘adult activities’, he better make damn sure she ‘gets to the mountain top’, or she’ll beat the crap out of him. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2020 at 6:19am
The binder twine they use is available. We have a big Amish community near us. They use binder twine in their corn harvesters and reapers. If you can't find any, let me know and I will try to find out where the Amish get it.
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