Just saved from scrap yard HD4 dozer
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Topic: Just saved from scrap yard HD4 dozer
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Subject: Just saved from scrap yard HD4 dozer
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 8:57pm
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It's not running yet , but I hope soon!...power tilt option on outside mount wide blade!.. The serial number is supposed to be stamped in the front below the grill but I don't see it.. I wish I could add a picture but don't see options |
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 1:40am
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Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 2:46am
 
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 7:39am
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nice find. that will be a fun little guy when you get it going. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Randaleky
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 8:23am
| nice unit. god save. I have a 1965 hd4 and I could not find the serial # for it under the front grill. I did find the # on the torque housing front flat spot close to the top where it mounts to the engine block on the left side as siting in the seat. try looking there. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 11:25am
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Oh Oh, looks like somebody stole the radiator! LOL (yeah, I know it's on the back side of the engine) Tracks look like new, great find, hope getting it going isn't too big a deal. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: iceberg210
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 3:45pm
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Glad you saved it! Hope you get it running soon, HD4's are fantastic little dozers. We've got one with an outside blade too and are looking to convert to power tilt, when you get a chance would you mind posting how long that hydraulic cylinder is? We're having a tough time figuring out how big it should be to get the right throw on the tilt function Thanks a bunch! |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 6:55pm
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thank you so much for the information on where to find my serial number it was right where you said it was mine is 1850 so it's an early machine.. I got a cranking over in the motor sounds great but the injection pump is absolutely not putting out any fuel I took the top cover off it looks very Rusty in there I'm trying to soak it in some PB Blaster looks like the pump was new at one time don't think this machine ran in a long time I don't have any information on it pump could be even installed wrong but it's not pumping fuel 
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Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 6:57pm
here is a picture of the Tilt cylinder with a tape measure next to it
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 7:04pm
| CC it looks like someone added the grouser bars seeing how square they are cut. You need to cut or round the corners taking off around 3/4 of an inch or whatever looks good to you. This will help the machine turn much easier, not tear up the ground as bad, and also not get stuck as easy. Looks good. |
Posted By: Randaleky
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 10:22pm
| Was the serial # on the torque tube ? Is that another dozer in the background or what on picture of the tilt jack measurement or a reflection of your machine ? |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 1:18am
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Yeah, I now see somebody welded onto the grousers, should have looked closer! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: iceberg210
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 9:19am
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Thanks so much! That's incredibly helpful really appreciate it!!! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 12:50pm
| The injector pump is probably why it made its way to scrap. Will need bring the engine up on time, drag the pump off and have it gone thru. Most likely sheared the internal coupler. |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 4:34pm
| Yes I'm just not getting fuel to run through the pump or pump fuel, I see things rotating through the timing window and an injector line port, could something be stuck that could be freed up? |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 4:38pm
The serial number was on the torque converter trans housing on left side top side on flat surface, and yes that's a MF200B dozer |
Randaleky wrote:Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 5:23pm
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You can take the top cover off and see if the shut off lever is stuck inside.. and the lever there on the outside of pump I believe needs to be towards the operator to run. Does the fuel run out of the line from the fuel tank fast? Did you bleed everything? Taken the lines loose at the injectors to see if fuel is even trying to flow? ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 7:46am
Yes, good fuel flow with full tank of fuel, and fuel is just not filling the pump..it should fill it and even run out top return line right? |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:22am
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Give a holler to Injection Pump Ed on here and see what he says is your problem.Think he mostly on the Allis tractor and machinery section. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 10:54am
Ok thanks, I pulled it apart, with instructions I found on the net, and the only thing I may see wrong is these rollers won't rotate dues to rust
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 1:29pm
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most likely the pumping plungers are stuck. I don't mind adding some advice here and there, but these do-it-your-self pump rebuilds rarely go good. You can piece it together enough to make it run, then maybe give it a proper rebuild, the injectors too. If it's all full of rust and corrosion, you certainly don't want to seize the pump because it will try pumping to stuck closed injectors. Good luck! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 1:37pm
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Those blocks the rollers are in, they need to be free too... as well as the plungers below the blocks. You probably already seen this vid... Look at about 7:12 mark [TUBE]DCPWHv2jJZE[/TUBE] another vid... [TUBE]veEONfhL3Uk[/TUBE] ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 1:38pm
| thank you Ed, Yes they were stuck, the only corrosion seemed to be in this area. Wish me luck😀 |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 6:34am
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JC, thanks again for the tips, I saw the first video, but not the second, you were correct plungers ,rollers and blocks stuck ..THE JOB IS DONE AND SUCESSFULL!..it was still hard getting to to fire for the first time, but running better and better! 
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Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 7:06am
Update!..the pump repair was a success!, the finals got new seals, steering clutches were gone through, it needed the charger pump for the torque converter repaired, the front seal for the main hydraulic pump, it was leaking into the engine and lots and lots of other refurbishment...it's now at the local farmers show fair.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 7:28am
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Nice save on the HD4! Where are you in PA? What did you have to do on the steering clutches? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 3:06pm
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Eastern Pa., above Philadelphia. From sitting the steel plates expanded due to rust, throwing the release fingers out of adjustment, so just cleaning, they were like new in thickness/specs and new brake bands |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2017 at 3:27pm
Looks like the rig I need or the back 40 here. I need some paths made in the overgrown huntin pasture. Bring it to Illinois and I'll tell you how good it works  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: dadsdozerhd5b
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2017 at 6:36am
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Nice save! Is that at the Middletown Grange fair? I am not far from that, live in Lansdale but have all my dozer goodies in Jamison. Where are you located? Always nice to find another Allis guy close by. ------------- HD5B, HD5G, (2) FARMALL A's, CUB. DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, IGNORE THE LAUGHTER. FLANNEL IS ALWAYS IN STYLE. |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2017 at 7:33am
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Yes Sir the Grange Fair in Wrightstown. I live in Huntingdon Valley now, grew up on a farm in Buckingham..I used to have an AC 7GB loader , I miss it and would like to find another. |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2017 at 7:39am
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I posted a video on YouTube search.. 1966 Allis Chalmers HD4 |
Posted By: Jasmyerine
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 7:59am
| I understand that this topic is already 4 years old, but still, I am interested to know what happened to this bulldozer in the end?) |
Posted By: KisrBerny
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 8:00am
| It seems to me that it has either returned to the landfill or is in good hands and, as an option, has been sold for a long time. It's just that I personally would not fix it and would hand it over to the landfill, seeing how much it would cost. Since I throw something away quite often, but I don't go myself, I just type a query in Google for http://https://www.scrapi.com/scrap-car-prices" rel="nofollow - scrap car prices and go to a site that calculates the price I will receive for recycling this or that thing. But, as they say, everyone has their own, and therefore I can not be responsible for others. Or maybe it's just because I'm lazy and just don't want to fix something, and it's easier to get rid of it. |
Posted By: Cannoncollector
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 6:50pm
 It has been completely refurbished and is sitting in my ever-growing small Dozer collection |