Tying down for transport
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Topic: Tying down for transport
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Subject: Tying down for transport
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 8:45am
I find chaining a WC WD with a narrow front a real aggravation to secure in transport, 'speially the unstyled with a fixed crank. This is my solution,
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 8:48am
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Looks good, I see people using the side holes to mount attaching points also. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Max(ia)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:15am
| Good idea. I use two chain hooks and a few links of chain letting the hooks hang just below the frame, one on either side bolted to the inside of the front frame on the 37. Not really that visible and works fine. |
Posted By: Jeff(WD45-SATX-TN)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:20am
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I like that bracket. Good job. ------------- 1954 WD45 NF "Iron Tater" |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 10:44am
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looks like my next project! good idea! thanks! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 10:53am
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I use a yellow strap on my puller. I take it over the tires, behind the front stem then forward. I try to keep the anchor ends forward in more of a "V" to keep tight. Have had no problems. That looks like a nice set up ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 11:06am
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looks professional. I was going to weld a couple of those "weld clevis's" to the front engine crossmember underneath kinda outa sight
------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: kev/ont
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 11:12am
| I just use rachet strap hook on the piece of angle iron that serves as the front engine mount and pull it towards the front of the trailer. tractor would ride there a million miles and never move. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 12:27pm
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Not enough steel. It will bend when the tractor front bounces. Gerald J. |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 1:31pm
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What Gerald said,I didn't want to be the first one to point that out,lol.
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 1:52pm
| The sreel will be plenty strong enough. My bet is on that it will be as strong or stronger than the chains he will use. The thing that will get him a ticket is the color. Can't have the new metal look on an old tractor. It just aint rite! |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 2:27pm
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Put the cultivator brackets on backwards and run the chain thru them.
Nice job on that rig! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 3:21pm
| Not to be nitpicking, but are those Grade 8 bolts? I think they may be the weak point if they aren't. |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 3:54pm
| It is impossible to make anything foolproof , because the fools are so ingenious....... This is not the first one I have made, none have broken or bent and at least one is 8 or more years old. My advise would be if you think I made a poor design or my materials are cheesey, don't duplicate it, improve it. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 5:23pm
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0ne grade 5 bolt has higher shear strength than 3 times the weight of the tractor. Unless he rolls the whole rig into something solid (in which case he has bigger problems LOL) he's not apt to experience 3 G's with the tractor. And look at the cross section of that hunk of steel he's using, and then compare to the cross section of the pin on a fifth wheel 80,000 lb tractor/trailer. Like Dick L said, the chains will, be the weak point.
Shucks, think about it, most of us tie our tractor on with wimpy canvas straps!
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 5:31pm
| Looks to be 1/2" stock, right? Or is it thicker? I would think it would be plenty strong. My question is, someone told me once that you have to chain or strap down a tractor in four seperate points with four seperate chains and binders, or they can have a field day with it. I myself am guilty as I usually chain down one in the V from a front point like Gary has, and a rear point like the drawbar bail etc. and have never had a problem or gotten pulled over and harassed for it. So what is the true law on this, as the last thing I want to do this summer is deal with a smokey with a few tickets to fill at the end of the month!! |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 5:43pm
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Very nice and well thought out. I'd be very surprised if that would bend in transit. If it's clamped down tight, you won't get enough bounce in the tires to do anything. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 7:05pm
| Great design and more than strong enough. Only thing I would do different is to have a D ring on both sides. Technically DOT wants 4 separate anchor points. One point can't stop front from movivng side to side. |
Posted By: Roger Nolin
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 7:14pm
| I just put the hook on frame rail behind steering pedestal, hasn't been problem< id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" =""> |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 7:36pm
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I had thought about mounting a grab hook on each side of the tractor just behind the front wheels. Then I could still use my long chain and have two points in the front to meet DOT requirements. I used to just throw the chain around the back of the pedestal and on top of the front wheels with it hooked on one side and binder on the other.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 7:46pm
| I used to use ratchet straps and thought that the G men were being jerks insisting on chains and ratchet binders. But after arriving home, or next fuel stop and finding loose or broken straps and tractor hanging on all by itself i became a believer And, yep, I used to just go behind pedestal with strap with just one strap, but not anymore |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:02pm
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Lou, those straps are stronger than people think. They will not however, hold up for any period of time if they rub on anything or if anything rubs on them. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:10pm
| Looks nice Gary. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:12pm
| We tied 52000# dozers down with 6- 5/8 link chains when I drove truck, I suspect this will suffice just fine. |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 9:15pm
| Straps are good but only if used point to point. Any rough or rusted surface will eat through them in no time. I haul my 10K Deere around on 4 straps point to point from D rings on the tractor and trailer but they are 4" not 2" ratchet binders. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 10:58pm
| I like it, I like it |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2010 at 6:09pm
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CTuckerNWIL wrote:Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2010 at 7:24pm
| I wouldn't think a tight strap would wear run thru a smooth clevis, but any one that uses straps to lash down a tractor should look them over periodically. And chains should be looked over too, just to be safe. I haven't ran into any mounties that have pulled me over for an unsafe load, but I have had some run along side of me for a half mile or so looking over things as I run the interstate. They must like what they see, or they just don't need to get out of an heated/ air conditioned car and stretch their legs yet. |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2010 at 7:40pm
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Looks good Gary. Nice job on the welding. Like the offset shackle, not everyone would have thought of that.
I was told by the company that I work for that anything secured on a trailer has to have 4 separate chains connected to total of 8 anchorage points. 4 on trailer, 4 on load. However, I was pulled over last January for a nice DMV inspection, and the inspector had no problems with the 2 chains and binders I was using to secure my scissor lift to the trailer. The worn down pintle ring was a different story. Spent some time in an Ag supply store and on the side of the road getting that back to right.
I would mount two weld-on D-rings to the bottom of the frame rails just behind the front pedestal, paint them orange, and not worry about it anymore. Would come in handy for more than just chaining down the tractor. Got a shackle through the pivot mount hole under the bell housing on the C. Just hook the chains through it to each side and one over the drawbar to the rear. Good to go. Course, I'm not going farther than 5 miles over to my son's place, but I don't worry about it falling off. LOL!
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2010 at 8:24pm
| Very, very nice work Gary. Wish I was that talented! |
Posted By: Rick of HopeIN
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 7:11pm
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So far on the WC I have just use a hook into the front engine angle iron underneath. Not sure I would trust the cultivator brackets as one mentioned. I have thought about adding a side hook somewhere on the frame at an existing hole just to make it easier. ------------- 1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless |