got a black eye for asking the wife to get a ford
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Topic: got a black eye for asking the wife to get a ford
Posted By: dt1050
Subject: got a black eye for asking the wife to get a ford
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 6:00am
I have been kicking around the idea of getting a ford power master project tractor for a bit now and finally ask the wife about it yesterday. next thing I know I woke up on the floor with a bloody nose, black eye and a knot on my head !! geaze, a simple know would suffice!!! In all fairness to my wife, I have a seizure disorder and I think I had a seizure, but I guess I'll never really know...  BTW: this is a true story ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:13am
| I hope you learned your lesson |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:16am
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The evils of alcohol. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:46am
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Everyone needs to own at least one old Ford in their lifetime,it'll make them really appreciate a real tractor when they get one. |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:48am
I swore never again after the 8n ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Gary Burnett wrote:Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:54am
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dt, tell us exactly what is wrong with the 8N if it is used as the 20 hp tractor that it is please. obviously one should not compare it to kinda modern day tractors since the last one made was in 52 I think. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:59am
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There are a lot of good Fords out there . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 8:12am
ya F350 with the 7.3 powerstroke lol ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 8:13am
my mistake, what I meant was after MY 8n. There are folks that love em. mine was just simply not reliable and didn't have the power I needed, it was also to light for the work. The brake pedals pushing down didn't do it for me either, I kept getting my foot stuck between the pedals. when I need a tractor I want to jump on it and go. my wd45 wasn't much newer than the 8n and I could let it sit for months run out fire it up and start working it. That wasn't meant to blast all 8n's/fords, just a bad experience with mine. regardless of vehicle type, if I have a bad experiance on one, I tend to be more leary next time. ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 8:14am
| smart woman! and you better gits the seizure thing checked out! |
Posted By: littlemarv
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 8:52am
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The best time to ask the wife if you can get a new project is after it's unloaded.... It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.... ------------- The mechanic always wins. B91131, WC23065, WD89101, CA29479, B1, Early B10, HB212, 416H |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 9:09am
REALLY . Why would you have to ask at ALL !!!!!. A guy had his wife along one day when he stopped by MY Shop to get repair work done ,he ask what's in the other building over there .So I showed him, he said my wife has to see this. He went out and ask her in to the Showroom. She looked around and then said are u married ,I said yes , she said if I was married to her she would kill me for having this much stuff. I smiled and said with a attitude like that you would not be married to me. WE talked a little and she went back out to the car. After she went out to car ,he started to laugh and said ,I am glad u said that and not me . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 9:11am
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I have a Ford 960. If it wasn't a family tractor I would have taken it out back years ago and put it out of its misery (and mine). That thing is the most gutless and expensive tractor on my place. All it does now is tug equipment around and run a bush hog since it has independent PTO. Adam |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 9:45am
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I had an 8N for a few years about 40 years ago. It was too light to move snow with a blade on the rear, it was too light to pull its standard plow and the "safety" three point hitch lifted the rear wheels to prevent it pulling too hard. Its PTO was hard connected to the secondary shaft in the transmission so with a rotary mower on the PTO it was impossible to stop moving forward quickly. Fortunately mine had a front bumper that absorbed the impact with stuff the one time I used it with a brush hog type mower. It was the epitome of tractors needing an overrunning clutch on the PTO. The 8N was better than the 9N and 2N in the steering. The 9N and 2N used a beveled pinion on the steering wheel shaft and a pair of larger diameter beveled ring gears connected to the two steering arms. Without a worm gear in the steering system, a front wheel hitting a clod or furrow kicked the driver very hard. The 8N used a ball worm that didn't kick in that situation. The 8N also had one more forward gear in the transmission. The last year of 8N changed from the obnoxious front mount distributor (copied from the '36 Ford V-8 car engine) to a side mount distributor that was a ton easier to work on. The front mount distributor was driven by the end of the cam shaft without gears so was a simple design. I was very happy to see the 8N leave at a price that paid for my purchase price and all the repairs and new tires I had put on it. When I bought the farm, I bought a MF-135 about the same dimensions as the 8N, but nearly twice the horsepower, twice the weight, power steering, and independent PTO. I plowed and planted some 23 acres for about a decade before I added a HD 4020 for greater crop clearance for row crop cultivation and spraying. Its gas and uses moe fuel per year than the 135, but I was able to plant with the 135 and went notill so I didn't stir the dirt nearly so much. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 10:02am
 IF I can remember it, I might have an use for it in the future...------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 10:45am
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My wife bought an old Blue Ford. Its supposed to arrive in a couple weeks. She said she'll keep it in her garage. I like my wife's taste in old Fords don't you? ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 10:47am
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Hmmm.. that didn't work. This picture thing is gettin' a little testy lately....
------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 11:22am
been checked for the seizures, take some pills and for the most part got em under control. just the odd one here and there. The ford in question is a 861 diesel. The wife is pretty understanding my farm projects, she used to get mad when I'd go up to a friends she hated when we went to the equipment shed, I'd always drag something home. ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: RMD
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 12:33pm
| I would stay away from Ford 4-cy diesels based on my experience. The 4-cy was a great gas engine and a crappy diesel, whereas the 3-cy diesels were great but the 3-cy gas was not so great. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:07pm
Fred, your brought back a memory to me. A former senator from the great state of Iowa once told me he got into it with a lady senator on the floor at the state house. She got so mad she told him," If you were my husband, I'd poison your corn flakes". He said," If you were my wife, I'd eat them". ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:11pm
That's funny |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:16pm
------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:43pm
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But back to the Ford's, when the guys shoehorn in a flat head V8 into a 8N, I think that is pretty cool. I would love to see a Lincoln V12 in one. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:54pm
Only one problem they have a rear end built to handle a 12 HP Kohler |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:56pm
REALLY . Why would you have to ask at ALL !!!!!. As my grandmother used to say "He's under Petticoat Rule"  |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 2:30pm
| Knew a guy that put a 289 in a 8N. Nice sounding |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 4:57pm
| Maybe check with your wife if it would be ok if you bought a Case tractor with the Case-o-matic transmission. If you wake up on the floor with a black eye and a broken jaw then you don't have a medical condition, you just have a wife with a severe case of better judgement. |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 5:01pm
I read somewhere that 25% of all Ford tractors ever built are still in the fields today...the other 25% made it back to the shed. ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 5:03pm
Is the case-o-matic trans any good, a friend has a 930? with case o matic drive, he broke the shifter trying to get that beast into gear. he would warm it up for 30 mins or more and still grinded getting into gear. ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 5:04pm
 ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:30pm
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ummmmmm, the first year for the side mount on the 8N Flathead was 50 and the last year was 52. 53 was the advent to the red tiger engine. I happen to own a 50 model with the Sherman hi/lo trans which gives it 12 forward gears. Did i count that right?  |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 7:34pm
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Fords are supposed to be pick ups. Between my FW 30 and uncles Genesis my Ford tractor desire is cured. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 10:14pm
Well you can't really blame Ford Motor Company for problems with that FW 30, because they didn't have anything to do with it other than putting their name on it and selling it. It was built by Steiger in Fargo, North Dakota.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 10:33pm
Your 100% right on FW30 but still can blame them on the Genesis. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 4:36am
------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 4:49am
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The Fordson Major was a decent tractor. My uncle had one. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 5:52am
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True story; Other than being a farm kid from years ago, a Ford 8N is what got me into the tractor thing. When my buddy and I started doing food plots the only tractor we had was his 8N. After doing a few days of brush hogging with that I decided if we were going to keep doing food plots I needed to add a real tractor to the list, that's when I bought my D17. Since then, like every other farmer, we've added more land, our equipment has gotten bigger, and we've added a few more tractors. I guess once a farmer always a farmer, even if it's just a Play Farmer - which is why it's still FUN! |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 6:48am
| Try doing some work with a team of horses. I bet you'll start to think the 8n isn't so bad. That is what the 8n replaced. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 7:14am
I've worked horses and it'd be a toss up would depend a lot on the team,now with mules I'd choose them over an 8N hands down |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 3:02pm
The 1952 8n my grandfather had replaced a 1942 Case VAC that had replaced the mules during WWII. That 8n was only 10 years newer but it was light years ahead of that old Case.
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Posted By: 45 turboa-
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 4:05pm
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I have never owned any thing but A-C oops 1 JD H that was a mistake what a PILE OF JUNK but I would like to buy a Ford 7000 flat deck I think they are a nice tractor have any of you guys had one ? ------------- turbocharged |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 4:47pm
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The old man runs a ford 5000. ya can run it for about 20mins then it shuts off, unless ya blow in the gas tank. seems like a vapor lock, but it has steel lines and none seem to be getting hot. he'd probly kick my ..... if I told him I was thinking of buying a ford, after he heard me constantly battling the 8n and the problems with his.
------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 5:11pm
Hmmmm, maybe that's why I've had a couple of those cantankerous seizures myself. Never thought of what could be garnered in blaming the wife.  ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 5:17pm
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even ford guys were telling me to stay away from the select o speed. guess they were great when they worked, but a giant pain in the .... when they don't. seizures have gotten a lot better. used to be 5-6 times a week. never knew were I'd wake up..... when in doubt blame the wife.... ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 7:39pm
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The early Select0speeds where junk. The engineer in charge refused to sign them ready for production and Ford fired him. Eventually the SOS was made into a good transmission. That engineer found a new job at JD Waterloo and designed the Power Shift transmission that was trouble free from its beginning. He stayed at Deere for some 30 or 40 years until he retired. Gerald J. |
Posted By: JayD-17(NY)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 8:02pm
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Our first diesel powered tractor on this farm was a new Fordson Major back in the 50's; as it was for many other farmers in the area. We had a Ford dealership right here in our one-horse town. In this area, The British built diesels were far more common than their American red and gray counterparts. It's interesting that Ford somehow got themselves in a unusual situation back then where they found themselves competing against themselves and losing! I hope to find a Major for my collection one day. They were a good machine but rapidly become too small for most farms as the power-crazed 60's wore on. There's still a ton 4000, 5000, and 7000's out there earning their keep in the fields. Good cheap 4wd horse power can often be found in the TW series for 20k or less.... If I remember the old saying about the Ford 6000 commanders, I think it went something like: "If its red and gray, just run away! If its blue and white, might be alright!"
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Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 8:09pm
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Worked on a Ferguson and 2N before for friends. Wasn't impressed at all. They drove fine if your kidneys were secured pretty well. Only thing good was the parts are available and cheap enough. Acquired a 1320 Ford/New NH for mowing. 3 cyl diesel, all hydro. Parts are not available only through NH and they ain't cheap. Good tractor and easy on the body. Had to go through the hydro pump and a set of about 40 o-ring/seals was $400. Came in what looked like a sandwich bag from NH. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 11:24pm
| ***Pretending I never saw this thread*** |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2017 at 8:20am
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If I had a choice of a 5040-45 or 50 for working tractor. I would go to a Ford in the same power range EVERY time hands down. There are other AC's that if they where your working tractor ,yes Ford 8N (staying in the HP range ) might be a better choice pending how u use it. I changed out a lot SOS trans over the years for my customers. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2017 at 8:28am
Finally...somebody who's on my side!
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Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2017 at 11:52am
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what I do like about the fords, Massey Ferguson, is the low center of gravity. the lower and wide the better on my side hill.
------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |